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Child missing alert

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DennisA · 07/06/2022 12:52

My Family and I were recently on holiday in Florida, a child went missing and an state wide alert was issued to all Mobile phone users with details of gender, age and description amd where they were last seen.

Can you raise this idea with your Local MP and your local Police Commisioner to raise the profile of the need for a similar service to be created by either the government, the regional police forces, the Home office and the <obile phone networks with some urgency.

Children go missing every single day and no one is addressing the issue or raising the concern. If a State like Florida can do it, then we can.

My local MP said it was an issue with GDPR but I pointed out to him, the GDPR rules applied when we were in the EU, now that we are not we can create our own rules and I can't see why a system like they have in Florida has anything to do with GDPR where a missing child is concerned.

Social media is also a fantastic medium, recently my Granddaughters dog bolted and was "Lost". We engaged with the Local lost Dog Rescue Facebook group in Aylesbury and within 12 hours he was spotted by Dog walkers and was reunited with my Granddaughter.
The response from Dog Walkers in Aylesbury was overwhelming.

If we can be that affective where a dog is lost, just imagine how affective we could be if a child goes missing.

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BobbinHood · 07/06/2022 15:27

It’s (thankfully) pretty rare that a child actually genuinely goes missing and isn’t with their other parent. I’d hope these alerts aren’t just rushed out, as someone else has already said, what if a parent is fleeing an abusive partner or something? I’d really worry about unintended consequences in that kind of situation which is far more common than a stranger abduction situation.

Reallyreallyborednow · 07/06/2022 15:27

So an amber alert in the US must meet these criteria:

Note: The AMBER Alert program issues alerts only if certain criteria are met: Law enforcement must believe an abduction has occurred, must believe that child is in danger of bodily harm or death, and must provide enough descriptive information about the case, such as details about the child, the abduction, the suspect, and/or the suspect’s vehicle

the vast majority are abductions by the non custodial parent, or a known relative.

I think the law and process in the UK around PR and familial abduction would be very different. That and the much smaller land mass/border control would make it difficult to properly disappear with a child. Enough to make the amber alert system pretty much redundant.

Inthesameboatatmo · 07/06/2022 15:24

BarryKentPoet · 07/06/2022 15:19

When was the last time a child was abducted or gone missing in the UK that would fit the criteria of an Amber Alert?

@BarryKentPoet. This is what I'm saying.

Inthesameboatatmo · 07/06/2022 15:23

HogDogKetchup · 07/06/2022 15:19

A sound?

A terror alert notification has a certain sound. That's obvious since it's been tested recently and people receiving these. So an alert from the authorities about a missing child will have to sound different from a normal notification sound won't it. Or it won't have the desired effect by making everyone run to their phone to check.

HogDogKetchup · 07/06/2022 15:22

@Inthesameboatatmo
Are you saying it’s not a good idea, because it won’t be effective? Or that it’s not a cause worthy of your attention because it’s too frequent an event? I’m not clear.

Needmorelego · 07/06/2022 15:20

@Inthesameboatatmo so why do the authorities bother putting missing children on the TV news/front page of the newspapers?

BarryKentPoet · 07/06/2022 15:19

When was the last time a child was abducted or gone missing in the UK that would fit the criteria of an Amber Alert?

HogDogKetchup · 07/06/2022 15:19

Inthesameboatatmo · 07/06/2022 15:14

An alert for a nuclear attack will have a certain sound. An alert for a missing child probably won't have the same sound incase it causes blind panic and people think the world is ending. People won't look out for it not because its less desirable but because its rare to get so won't be noticed by the large general population.

A sound?

Inthesameboatatmo · 07/06/2022 15:14

HogDogKetchup · 07/06/2022 15:09

why is an alert for a nuclear attack more desirable than for a child? I don’t follow your logic.

Surely it’s not the frequency of the danger but the gravity of it that dictates whether an alert is justified?

An alert for a nuclear attack will have a certain sound. An alert for a missing child probably won't have the same sound incase it causes blind panic and people think the world is ending. People won't look out for it not because its less desirable but because its rare to get so won't be noticed by the large general population.

Reallyreallyborednow · 07/06/2022 15:12

There’s also the issue that these alerts can actually disrupt an investigation.

this text goes out, you get 100’s of calls from people who’ve seen the missing white, blonde 5 year old.

now the police have to wade through shitloads of unrelated “sightings”, decide what’s credible, and hope to god they don’t send their resources after the wrong information.

motogirl · 07/06/2022 15:11

It's the Amber alert system. It's not for any missing child, it's for selected cases where the authorities have belief that the child was abducted. 99% of missing children have either left of their own accord (row with parents etc) or are part of a disputed custody situation. Some are simply misunderstandings over arrangements. Stranger abductions are very rare thankfully and national media is engaged, not everyone has a mobile phone

Needmorelego · 07/06/2022 15:11

@Inthesameboatatmo it's a shame you think that way.
Personally if a child is missing I would want all methods available put in use to help find them.

HogDogKetchup · 07/06/2022 15:09

Inthesameboatatmo · 07/06/2022 15:05

I don't live in a flood danger area. So like I've saidnumerous times. A child missing alert is not needed as it's not common place. The only alert needed is terror/nuclear. That's it. And even then I'd probably be dead before I saw the message

why is an alert for a nuclear attack more desirable than for a child? I don’t follow your logic.

Surely it’s not the frequency of the danger but the gravity of it that dictates whether an alert is justified?

Inthesameboatatmo · 07/06/2022 15:05

Needmorelego · 07/06/2022 15:01

@Inthesameboatatmo ok we generally don't have really dangerous earthquakes in the UK but we have very bad floods. Lots of them. If you live in a flood danger area you would be used to alerts going out on local radio/TV etc.

I don't live in a flood danger area. So like I've saidnumerous times. A child missing alert is not needed as it's not common place. The only alert needed is terror/nuclear. That's it. And even then I'd probably be dead before I saw the message

Needmorelego · 07/06/2022 15:04

A simple idea for a quick and easy way to communicate important information....and people are "ooh that's a bit against my privacy/might interrupt my busy busy life".
People are weird.
If it's not information important or relevant to you - just ignore it.

Needmorelego · 07/06/2022 15:01

@Inthesameboatatmo ok we generally don't have really dangerous earthquakes in the UK but we have very bad floods. Lots of them. If you live in a flood danger area you would be used to alerts going out on local radio/TV etc.

Needmorelego · 07/06/2022 14:59

@Flopisfatteningbingforchristmas yes it really is when the police have got to the point that it is realised that a child is 100% completely missing - not potentially with a friend/parent/other relative - that it would be decided to go the media. It is rare. Thankfully. The moment that is decided it would be that the news companies are told to report it. I assume this alert scheme would happen at the same time.
I really don't see a problem with as well as reporting a child missing on the TV news with simultaneously a emergency text message can be issued to all phone numbers in use.

OneFrenchEgg · 07/06/2022 14:59

I don't think anyone is sitting down with a list of numbers sending individual texts..

Child missing alert
Inthesameboatatmo · 07/06/2022 14:56

Needmorelego · 07/06/2022 14:53

@Inthesameboatatmo oh good grief. No one is expecting you to be attached to your phone at all times just incase you see a message.
But...if you happen to be on your phone at that moment in time when an alert goes out then potentially you could save a life.
Or yours/your family if it's a flood/earthquake/terror threat warning.

I wouldn't need a flood alert or an earthquake alert . Are you in the UK?
The only one of those with significance to me is the terror alert. But I don't live in the middle of nowhere so would find out within minutes anyway.

Needmorelego · 07/06/2022 14:53

@Inthesameboatatmo oh good grief. No one is expecting you to be attached to your phone at all times just incase you see a message.
But...if you happen to be on your phone at that moment in time when an alert goes out then potentially you could save a life.
Or yours/your family if it's a flood/earthquake/terror threat warning.

Flopisfatteningbingforchristmas · 07/06/2022 14:53

Needmorelego · 07/06/2022 14:13

@Flopisfatteningbingforchristmas what's the difference in this and having it reported on the 6 o'clock news?

It’s very rare that missing children are reported in the media in the UK.

OneFrenchEgg · 07/06/2022 14:50

I think it's a great idea although as I understand it not all missing children qualify for an amber alert which has led to distress amongst families (true crime addict) when not used.
For the really rare stranger abdication cases I can't see a negative really.

Inthesameboatatmo · 07/06/2022 14:49

Needmorelego · 07/06/2022 14:41

@Inthesameboatatmo but if your phone is with you, switched on and volume up you would hear the ping of a message.
Takes 2 seconds to see if it's your mum, a scam text trying to get your bank details, a reminder from your network or a missing child alert. You can decide what to read or ignore like any other text message and get on with your busy life.
If you don't hear your phone ping or it's in your locker at work then these texts are irrelevant but if you do happen to have your phone with you then taking 2 seconds to look could make a difference.
A few years ago I was on a busy beach when the lifeguards used a very loud tannoy to announce a child was missing and described him. Everyone on that beach had their head pop up when this loud message happened because it was unusual. Some people instantly starting looking around, some rolled over and went back to sunbathing.
The child was found within minutes.

@Needmorelego.

Not everyone including me has the want or need to check their phone even for 2 seconds. People are busy working long hours don't have access to their phones until break time or surprise surprise people aren't constantly attached to their phone abd barely look at them. If I'm at work I'm very very busy. If I'm at home I'm very busy with children ,general house stuff and caring for a disabled child. If I get a notification I don't even get chance to check until hours upon hours have gone by. I'm not the only one I suspect most people's lives are busy.

Needmorelego · 07/06/2022 14:48

@Justkeeppedaling I assume it would be the relevant government department depending on the situation.
Police
Anti Terror Squad
Whoever it is that provides the weather forecast for news programmes ......
The organisation relevant for missing children is the police. So that's who it would be surely?

HogDogKetchup · 07/06/2022 14:41

Justkeeppedaling · 07/06/2022 14:36

The Local Authority don’t deal with missing children, what a non question? You surely understand the sentiment behind the notion “authorities”. I.e an organisation equipped and empowered to deal with a missing child.

Still doesn't answer my question. Which organisation exactly?

Presumably the police - why does the answer hold so much weight for you? You sound like you’re just trying to be righteous.

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