Nanny annual leave & bank holidays

Nanny here.
You are being very reasonable, she is not.
Bank holidays are part of the 11.2 days annual leave. You can round this up but not down . As there is an extra BH this year maybe make it 12 days.
But … there your generosity should end.
It’s normal for nanny to chose half and the family the other half for annual leave.
You are paying her to work for you. She will have a list of duties in the contract.
What you do when she is working is none of her business. That’s is should you not be working and instead have a leisure day that’s your choice.
If you don’t need her for childcare and there are no nanny duties -eg cleaning playrooms, batch cooking etc then you might let her go early . But you are certainly not obliged to do this. As she has worked for less than two years I would let her go to be honest.

Do bh fall on her working days? If she still gets paid for both days that week then no leave is taken.

@Mistressiggi... They gave her three weeks at Christmas!!

She works 2 days a week. She is entitled to 28 days a year pro rata, including bank holidays which amounts to 11.2 days. On top of this, she was given three weeks at Christmas which is the equivalent of 43 days.

Get a new nanny, I doubt she's that amazing based on her attitude

These are pretty standard terms in a nanny job. Unfortunately one of the downsides of being a nanny is that you need to take a proportion of your holiday when it is convenient for the family.

After having had an experience like this, I’d say it doesn’t get better and I’d call it quits. A memorable low point was when she had a go at my husband for daring to get a haircut one day when he was working from home. Apparently if he had time to get his hair cut, he wasn’t that busy and should have let her go home early!

You literally could not give her any less annual leave could you?

Hmm I think it's tight not giving her the BH as additional and thinking you get to choose when she takes her AL - that sounds pretty crappy for her.

It's not very generous annual leave, is it? It's the bare minimum.

And the christmas leave issue, wouldn't those days have wiped out all her leave days and more?

When we had a part-time nanny we made it clear that she could choose half her holiday, we chose the other half and then on a bank holiday she could either work, take it as holiday or take it unpaid - her choice.

It sounds as if she's being unreasonable about other things too though, so I'd just give notice and get someone else.

Once you’ve got a good nanny you’ll do whatever you need to do to keep her.

You say she “kicked off” about being expected to work when she didn’t think she was needed. Why put up with this? I wouldn’t act that way towards my employer.

You need to make your working agreement much more explicit. Especially with a part-time employee and bank holidays that may or may not fall on work days, you need a plan for how those will be handled and it needs to be laid out at the beginning of employment. They need to be addressed separately from annual leave.

If you want to be able to specify some of the days your nanny uses annual leave you have to put that on the agreement as well. Yes, nanny employers specify half is common. It’s also common that it must be declared at least 6 months or longer in advance so the nanny can plan. No, she doesn’t have to reciprocate with that much lead time. You just have to book alternate child care. She has to be allowed to book holiday travel which we all know must be done well in advance.

As for working when she isn’t explicitly needed, that is part of the beauty of a nanny. They help out in the household and make the family run more easily. So mom and dad might be able to go to the gym or watch a movie and the child is with a known caregiver. When children are busy a nanny might organize clothing, cycle toys, prep child meals, or prepare child enrichment activities. It sounds like your nanny doesn’t quite grasp this aspect of the job.

If you otherwise like her, I would sit down and try to have a reset meeting. Write up a specific work agreement. If you don’t. Start fresh, cut be much more specific next time .

If they found that annoying, they shouldn’t be working as a nanny…

Perfectly fine for you to tell her when to take some of the holiday.
If you do not need her to work on a bank holiday, then those that fall on a working day are to be taken off as annual leave.
Then what often happens is the remainder is split between the family and nanny.
If you go away for additional time, then it is reasonable that you pay as per usual. You can assign nanny some duties during that time but it is nice not to do so.

Not sure what days of the week your nanny works but as this has come up now, I suspect one of the days may be a Friday. So Good Friday and Platinum Jubilee occur on a Friday and if you do not need your nanny to work those days, then they can come out of the annual leave entitlement.

Legally- You can tell her when she can take her leave - and it does not have to be in her contract that way. You just have to give her twice as much notice as the leave you require her to take - so for 2 days leave you must give 4 days notice etc.

www.gov.uk/holiday-entitlement-rights/booking-time-off-

Sounds to me like she just wants more time off than she's entitled. Her contract says 11.2 days and includes Bank Holidays. You cannot retrospectively doc holiday for when you were away previously but insure as he'll wouldn't be pandering to paying for extra days with her attitude. (But then I'd be letting her go and making the next contract clearer).

I work 2 days a week (10 hour shifts) , I get an prorated allowance for my annual leave, rounded up to the nearest half day and a prorated amount of time for bank holidays rounded up to the nearest working day. This normally gives me 15.5 days off a year. I do work bank holidays though, unless I place leave. As I work Mondays a minimum of 5 days of leave would be needed for those, more if Christmas falls on Monday or my other working day.

Whilst you have to give her time off but not of her choosing, I think it would be unreasonable to expect her to take all her leave as single days to cover bank holidays or your time off without any choice of when she can take her own holiday too. Bare in mind there are 9 bank holidays in England this year if that’s where you are.

Seeing it from her point a view - I would annoyed if my company told me when I had to take my holiday.

Your holiday allocation is 100% correct as @dementedpixie has shown above.
She sounds demanding and cheeky get rid

When l was parting l was paid a pro rota amount of bank holidays.

If she works ⅖ of full time then she gets ⅖ of full time holiday allowance which is ⅖ x 28 days (20 days + 8 Bank holidays) = 11.2 days. If they have a bank holiday off it comes out of the 11.2 days

How did you work out her holidays. If full time (37 hours per week) you get 28 days minimum including bank holidays. If she's working long days (just line many professions do) I'm not sure if you can calculate bank holidays as long days? Also the minimum is rarely the amount you get, I get 33, dp gets 35, ex gets 41

Am l missing something?

I was always paid for bank holidays on top of annual leave.

I would have thought this should have ideally been discussed before employment - holiday allowance, Bank Holidays, choice of timing of annual leave.

While you are 100% within your right to ask her to take bank Holidays out of allowance i can also see how this is frustrating since the majority of bank Holidays fall on her working days leaving her with fewer days of choice. Maybe a compromise of offering say 15 days annual leave?

In terms of not wanting to work when you are off, well either she works or takes those days out of her annual leave.