Full time live in nanny ..inc nights

Hi OP. I would definitely agree about asking to reduce your hours even if it is by a day a week if you can. I have had nannies when my children were younger and am friends with some nannies who care for my DC's friends. I think if you want a nanny to work long and flexible hours then you definitely need to pay well. The issue I have seen in a few situations where parents work long hours (and so does nanny) that the nanny gets fed up with the hours and leaves for a better quality of life. If you are going to work long hours then your DC will develop a really strong bond with the nanny (I have seen nannies be made god parents) and you need to be comfortable with this and embrace it rather than resent it (and it can be great for you). I would also see if you could get family members involved (even if occasionally). Good luck , OP !

It is going to be £60k+ a year with employer costs
Not sure how someone gets £30k

My husband and I work similar hours to you. We had a full time (live out) nanny and evenings/ overnight/ weekends were the same price as day shifts. We needed fewer hours than you as we only needed the times we were both working/ sleeping after nights. Our nanny was contracted for 30 hours a week, averaged out over a month and hours given at least a month in advance as like you we work a rolling shift pattern. We didn't have trouble finding a nanny although we did have to guarantee 30 hours which was actually more than we needed but realistically nobody would want the job for only 20 hours.

This is definitely a normal one nanny role.
However, if you’re working NHS you should definitely be able to request flexible working or to do less hours.

Our live in nanny in a similar set up to yours (annex etc, me in NHS role, father works away) doesn’t charge for sleeping time which is good of her. I don’t do nights very often though. She stays in our house for nights, and stops the clock when they’re settled and in bed and starts it when she gets up. All nannies are different though and if I did regular nights or the children were difficult sleepers I’m sure it would be different.

OP that sounds exhausting and like you won’t get much time with your baby at all. Can you cut some hours anywhere?

It's a little bit difficult to tell what the shift pattern will be, but I don't think the OP needs 24/7 childcare cover.

An average of 60 hours a week is ok for a live-in nanny, though you might need to offer a decent salary to find someone prepared to cover weekends and overnights. Even at minimum wage that's going to be around £30k.

You need a day nanny and a night nanny.

They have not chosen to work in the NHS.

Hilarious that people think these are mad hours.

06:45-20:00 are normal hours in the nhs.

You need 2 rota nannies - one works a seven day stretch, 24 hours each day, then they have a whole week off and the second nanny takes over. A friend of mine nannies in this way, she prefers it as a shift pattern as it's easier to plan around it, but I can imagine it's expensive to employ!

My cousin and his wife, both doctors, covered similar random shift patterns with two au pairs (from EU countries), and day time nursery.
It worked very well. Their son is now 27, and has recently returned from visiting one of his au pair's families. All the au pairs keep in touch and have visited over the years.

I lived next door two two doctors in north London, one a house officer, one a registrar.
They had two small children and a nanny who did two nights a week and took the children to nursery, as well as all the usual nanny stuff. They also they had a family member who helped out I think.

This is the sort of nanny/proxy-parenting that I do. I work adhoc though, so for several different clients. Some are pilots, some are nurses etc. You may need to advertise on some nanny sites because it is imperative they have DBS, first aid, checkable references etc.

I think you need to speak to a good nanny agency. When I was a first time user, they were incredibly helpful as to what a “good job” would like like to a nanny, and really helped me sculpt the requirement so it worked for me and was attractive to good candidates. There are other solutions, like eg an au pair and a nanny combination. But speak to someone who can look at it from the other end, ie what you are likely to get, and see how you can match that up with what you want/need.

Are you in the UK? Roughly which area

I was a nanny for 2 junior doctors & did frequent overnights & weekends.
I loved the job & have many happy memories but the hours were very clearly explained at the interview. Their baby was a very good sleeper & I was much younger then & had a lot of energy. I used to get £20 extra for each overnight stay, it was a fortune back then!
I think this could definitely work with the right nanny, somebody recently qualified & commitment free would be best.

When younger I worked as a nanny where I did every other weekend sole charge including both nights. So every other week I would work from Friday morning and not finish until Sunday evening, as well normal hours in the week too. This would all be absolutely fine for a professional nanny. Professional nannies aren’t cheap though!

What's the job? Is there a version without the shift pattern?

I'm sure you could request no overnights. What do other parents at your work do?

I think that's fine tbh as long as you're paying a good wage. Most nannies work 45+ hours a week so it isn't insane hours. The Tuesday off will be nice so the nanny has time to rest in between the two long days. What you have to ensure is that you're paying enough so the four days are enough, you can't expect someone to work somewhere else on the Tuesday, so the wage has to be good.

Does your baby sleep well? That's obviously a key point. If she does 12 hours overnight then fine for the nanny, if she's waking every two hours you probably do need to look at a night nanny for the overnights.

Once you have a nanny, make the effort to meet her nanny friends and encourage playdates so that both you and your baby get to know the other nannies. Then if there is a weekend she can't do or she's off sick/on holiday you have some ready-made cover available.

I agree it needs to be two nannies working shifts. You can't expect one person to do all that. I would have one doing the mornings and one the afternoons. Then the odd late night and weekend shift can be offered as optional overtime rather than being an additional burden when they are already exhausted.

But I would be looking for a reduction in hours if at all possible.