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Paid childcare

Discuss everything related to paid childcare here, including childminders, nannies, nurseries and au pairs.

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Full time live in nanny ..inc nights

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khaa2091 · 01/03/2022 13:37

I am just in the process of trying to sort out childcare for when I return to work in September when dd 10 months.

I am a single parent with grandparents nearby, but my normal working day is 0645 to 7pm. I will not be working one day a week, but will be at work from 0645 Wed or Thurs am to 1900 Thurs or Fri pm every 2 weeks. There are also monthlyish nights (where I will be gone 1900 to 0900) and some weekend working, both day and night.

What is reasonable to discuss? I will have a separate annexe with its own entrance which can be used by a nanny, but they will then have to come into the main house (which I would be happy with full access with, whether or not I was there) if working over night. Are overnight hours usually paid at the same rate as daytime? How do the rates usually divide I am also getting help from grandparents and my sister.

I realise that this is an unusual and demanding job and can't see how this is going to work without flexibility on everyone's part (whilst still needing to work fulltime in order to pay for it all). Does anyone else to anything remotely similar, or would you even consider a job that required this?

Any advice / experiences gratefully received....

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3WildOnes · 02/03/2022 08:00

www.edenprivatestaff.com/job/live-in-nanny-kd791/

3WildOnes · 02/03/2022 07:57

I don’t think you would get this for under 40k, that was about what I was paid for a similar role 15 years ago.

hellywelly3 · 01/03/2022 23:07

My DM was a childminder when I was growing up and would do overnights for a parent who was a single parent. So that’s an option. I think most nannies work covering nights when needed, don’t they? That’s the benefit of a nanny over nursery

busyeatingbiscuits · 01/03/2022 23:00

[quote TheOccupier]@busyeatingbiscuits
I don't think I have ever seen a live in nanny role at £60+k - if you have seen some adverts with that kind of a salary please link to them.

They exist!
burlingtonnannies.com/jobs/mayfair-live-in/
www.greycoatlumleys.co.uk/jobs/live-in-nanny-job_kensington_5228
burlingtonnannies.com/jobs/sloane-square-live-in/
www.greycoatlumleys.co.uk/jobs/nanny-job_surrey_4571
www.greycoatlumleys.co.uk/jobs/live-in-nanny-job_roehampton_4402[/quote]
Even of those though, a couple are 24/5 or 24/6 roles (120+ hours a week rather than the standard 60) and the others are £50k+ rather than £60k+

Those are pretty unusual roles though and the norm is definitely nearer £30k.

TheOccupier · 01/03/2022 22:45

@busyeatingbiscuits
I don't think I have ever seen a live in nanny role at £60+k - if you have seen some adverts with that kind of a salary please link to them.

Moonbabysmum · 01/03/2022 22:21

Also, don't be banking on your little one continuing to sleep through - lots of 3m olds that sleep well, stop being such a good sleeper later. My good sleeping 3m old stopped at 4m, and then didnt sleep as well again until age 3!

AngelinaFibres · 01/03/2022 22:15

@user1493494961

When will your child see you?

This

Change123today · 01/03/2022 22:04

We have friends who are both pilots - with weekends, long stints & early mornings shift patterns. They did find a nanny - who still with them some 12 years later! They always ensured the nanny had plenty of notice of their shifts - due to their shifts they may be 4/5 days of rest days etc so it meant the nanny had that time off.
I imagine it’s rare! But they do exist !

gogohm · 01/03/2022 21:55

It should be possible, it's fairly normal nanny hours and good live in accommodation with separate entrance and being allowed overnight guests would make it attractive. My friends paid £25k plus costs for their live in nanny 4 years ago in herts.

covilha · 01/03/2022 21:43

Either- rota nannies on week on/ off contracts or 25/5 nanny. This would cover you for nights either way, I think. Proxy parenting is often part of the job. Grandparents number could possibly be available as emergency contact/ back up if required.
If you have not done so, maybe check out some nanny agencies for an overview of these types of roles? (Sorry, but not sure I can mention any by name here).
Congratulations on your baby 💐

butterflyfox · 01/03/2022 21:36

Dear op. I have done this. I am a single parent working full time with extensive business travel so often away overnight during the week. I have no family support. I had a live in nanny who was paid a good wage and happy to cover the midweek overnights. When she left after six years I had a lot of good applications for replacements. So it’s is absolutely possible. It’s not cheap and you will be paying between 30 and 40k plus accommodation and pension etc

surreygirl1987 · 01/03/2022 21:32

@cdba88
Hilarious that people think these are mad hours.
06:45-20:00 are normal hours in the nhs.

Why on earth is it hilarious? Those hours ARE awful! Just because it's become normal doesn't mean they're not 'mad' hours. I find it dreadful that this sort of lifestyle has become the norm.... I don't think anything about this situation is 'hilarious'!

busyeatingbiscuits · 01/03/2022 21:13

@AbandonedShed

It's live in though so accommodation included I would assume

You can deduct £60 a week from minimum wage for accommodation, so instead of £29640 the minimum you could pay would be £26,473.20.

I think it would be pretty hard to recruit for a role with these hours offering £26k though. Maybe someone very new to nannying or stepping up from nursery or au pairing into a first sole charge role.

AbandonedShed · 01/03/2022 21:09

It's live in though so accommodation included I would assume

busyeatingbiscuits · 01/03/2022 21:08

No, minimum wage for over 22s is currently £8.91 (£27799) and will increase to £9.50 (£29,640) from April.

TheHoptimist · 01/03/2022 21:06

@busyeatingbiscuits

On a £30k salary employer costs would be just under £3k for employer's NI, about £700 for pension contributions and maybe around £300 for a payroll company.

Then there are some other costs like employer's liability insurance, food, heating/electricity for the nanny's accommodation, mileage/providing a car, activities.

£35-£40k would be a good full time live-in salary, but especially outside of London, £60k is not realistic for a role that isn't 24/7 or a rota.

It isnt a £30k role- that would be less that the minimum wage based on 60 hours a week.

busyeatingbiscuits · 01/03/2022 21:03

@TheHoptimist

Employer costs don't double the salary.

But it isn't a minimum age job

£20 an hour for a nanny in London/SE- they also work on gross not net.

I don't think I have ever seen a live in nanny role at £60+k - if you have seen some adverts with that kind of a salary please link to them.

AllYouCanEatBrestaurant · 01/03/2022 21:02

It's not an unusual ask, as long as the pay is good I imagine you won't have any trouble filling the role.

I've worked for people in the forces, pilots and single parents who travel, done 24/6 care, it's quite normal in the nanny world.

busyeatingbiscuits · 01/03/2022 21:02

On a £30k salary employer costs would be just under £3k for employer's NI, about £700 for pension contributions and maybe around £300 for a payroll company.

Then there are some other costs like employer's liability insurance, food, heating/electricity for the nanny's accommodation, mileage/providing a car, activities.

£35-£40k would be a good full time live-in salary, but especially outside of London, £60k is not realistic for a role that isn't 24/7 or a rota.

TheHoptimist · 01/03/2022 21:00

[quote whatacarryon2018]@khaa2091
I pretty much was the nanny you were looking for ten years ago! I did something very similar for a single parent who was a registrar in a hospital and had hideous shift patterns. I loved it and I wasn't paid £60,000 so don't know where people are getting that from! [/quote]
10 years ago!

Being an nanny isnt a minimum wage job
Live in can only be deducted at a fair cost
No supply of cheaper EE nannies any more

£15 net is £20 an hour

TheHoptimist · 01/03/2022 20:58

Employer costs don't double the salary.

But it isn't a minimum age job

£20 an hour for a nanny in London/SE- they also work on gross not net.

ivykaty44 · 01/03/2022 20:57

khaa2091

I’d look for two nannies/ child minder or and a babysitter, job share

60 hours is a fair chunk to cover

Not sure how much you earn, but UC will help with 70% of childcare up to around £45/50k per year earning for solo parents

caoraich · 01/03/2022 20:56

Also a medic. I dropped my hours to 8 sessions after I finished ML and have moved jobs so I do NROC rather than shifts, it helps a lot and means I can use nursery. You must be on 12 sessions minimum if you're a consultant with those hours. When is your SPA time? I'd be asking for CPD to be job planned from home (mine is) so that you do it late evenings after kid is asleep and then get to actually spend some awake time with her more than once a week and let the nanny off "early" regularly. Even on a 12 session consultant job you'll struggle to afford 2 nannies.

I'd recommend asking in PMGUK or MMM and your local medic mums group - there will for sure be people who can give you recommendations

Wnkingawalrus · 01/03/2022 20:56

OP if you are willing to pay a decent rate I don’t think you will have a problem. The whole reason people employ nannies is because they either have long/odd hours or need flexibility.

Our nanny works 60 hours a week and has probably averaged 2 overnights a year when me and OH had clashing business travel. I made it quite clear at the interview stage that we needed someone who was happy to work late once or twice a week and could cover overnight on the rare occasion we needed it. We had no shortage of applicants, probably because we pay a very good rate.

As you said, you know your shifts well in advance which for some people will be preferable to working for a lawyer or banker who is constantly late home and never knows what they’re up to from one week to the next.

whatacarryon2018 · 01/03/2022 20:53

@khaa2091
I pretty much was the nanny you were looking for ten years ago! I did something very similar for a single parent who was a registrar in a hospital and had hideous shift patterns. I loved it and I wasn't paid £60,000 so don't know where people are getting that from!

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