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Childminder with just one 'customer' alongside own children?

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PensionPuzzle · 04/10/2021 20:56

Looking for advice/realism about an idea that has occured to me today. I am a qualified teacher who has been made redundant, with a second child due imminently. Previously I have thought about going back to work in a support staff role, we are fortunate that we don't need me to be on a full time teacher salary any more so there is some flex in what I do going forward but I do want to do work of some sort. I enjoy working in education but my experience is with older kids although I do have some SEN experience and some fairly unusual experience and qualifications relating to outdoor learning and suchlike.

I have taken DD1 out of nursery for the time being and the teacher in me is enjoying getting stuck into learning about EYFS and looking for some loose structure in our days. Then it occurred to me- if I set up as a childminder could I have one child to look after alongside my own? I haven't looked at the figures as suspect might not be viable with insurance and DBS costs etc but I don't want to hit the spreadsheet if it's a non-starter anyway.

The eldest will be going to preschool 15 hours a week (2.5 short days) from Sept on funded hours but I would like to keep the younger one at home rather than using childcare until she too gets her funded hours. Would it be unworkable to have one mindee alongside my own two? I think I would offer term time only plus teacher days to attract a teacher's child as we would like to have family time to ourselves during the preschool holidays (and maybe offer the odd extra day here and there by arrangement). As my own children get bigger this could evolve into a different pattern but I just wondered if it was a ridiculous idea to look into this further? Would it be really weird and off-putting for your child to be the only actual mindee in a setting?

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icklekid · 05/10/2021 05:46

My ds went to a childminder with just the childminders granddaughter so not dissimilar. We only send term time (teacher) but pay 50% in holiday as retainer. I’d happily send my child to you, and if any of my teacher friends locally had set up would have jumped at the chance! If you don’t need to work any extra income would make it financially viable and enjoyable for your child I imagine! You can then decide if you want to expand and continue when your youngest goes to school or not…

MattyGroves · 05/10/2021 05:41

As a parent, the thing that would put me off is that it's pretty clear that you want to be at home with your own child and are doing childminding just as a way of funding that. Now obviously almost everyone works for the money but I would worry that your priority would always be your own children over mine and that you might judge me as a working parent. But this may just be me!

If you don't want a career in childcare but just some extra cash to get you through a few years, I would definitely think about after school childminding or after school nannying as lots of demand for that around here. I would also look at babysitting - as a qualified teacher, you could charge £10-12/hour here, evenings when your DC are in bed, it's easy money if your DH can look after your kids

tiggerwhocamefortea · 05/10/2021 05:34

My twins are in term time only as we can't afford 50 weeks of the year. This month our bill was £1500 which is more than my husband earns a month so I do think it's financially worth thinking about? I think if more parents knew about term time only options they would want them it's just that most childminders I spoke to would only "allow" it if you could prove you were a teacher! (I'm not a teacher) also I was only allowed it because my twins are 5 days per week. If you have an older child already at school who has all school holidays off anyway (like I do) it makes sense that younger children are also on term time only care as ive got to take the holidays off anyway for the eldest?

My eldest has a before and after school childminder - that costs £400 a month - she has around 5 children which is also a nice littler earner for only working 4 hours per day (7.30-830am and then 330-530pm)

Starfish1021 · 05/10/2021 05:27

We used an exceptionally good childminder who had left teaching to set up. She had two daughters, but her mum was a helper, which meant she could have more children. She also did wraparound. If you don’t need to make much money, and just setting up with the eye on the future then go for it. But you will make very little with what your suggesting. I would look at wrap around to your local primary. Plenty of parents are looking for this service.

WhereIsMumHiding3 · 05/10/2021 04:44

If you don't mind doing school runs, and are walking distance, my childminder makes a good living with 2-3 littlies and then 2-3 other older school children (5-11) after school which works well.

The older ones can be lovely with the littlies, but also are easy to entertain. You feed them at table when they get home, sit them at table to do homework (they do it - if need lots of help , then save for parents) or read, play on a game , watch some TV and check how their day went. If each child has 2 1/2 -3 hours after school that's £17-21 per child (an extra £41-63/ day) (so run it as an "after school collection til 6pm")

Tea snacks we had were spaghetti on toast, jam on toast , apples, oranges, 2 biscuits, pasta with cheese etc jacket potato and baked beans.

The logistics to and from school is a faff but you may enjoy the experience - lots of fresh air walks !

sparkleywallpaper · 05/10/2021 04:25

Despite breakfast clubs and after school clubs there remains a huge demand for wraparound care and holiday care. You decide how many days,hours and amount of children to have.
Perhaps this could work for you?

RedMarauder · 05/10/2021 00:40

One of the things you are presuming is that you will have one child for 5 days a week.

Lots of parents send their child to childcare including CMs part-time due to the cost.

Even the teachers I know have a wide variety of family circumstances so they don't/didn't all need and want 5 days a week term time only childcare.

So you could be looking after 2 different children or just have one 4 days a week.

You may also find that on Mondays, as that's when there are the most bank holidays, you may not have any other children.

Graphista · 05/10/2021 00:13

I think you are misunderstanding the market/profession

Childminders are unlikely to take on term time only children not due to lack of places/availability but because it's financially not worth their while to do so

PensionPuzzle · 04/10/2021 23:10

Thanks for all the input so far- my next step is to look at the sums if it wasn't going to be laughable to offer a single place initially so I think it may well pan out as you say @Graphista and be a financial no go. But if it then becomes more viable as my own move up to school age then perhaps it would be worth exploring further.

There is a real scarcity of term time only places round here though from my own experience trying to find one so I'm less worried about that, colleagues were in the same boat paying for all year round places they weren't using fully.

Lots to think about!

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Bluebellbike · 04/10/2021 22:46

If you have 2 children of your own you could only take on one child as the limit is 3 under fives, unless that has changed recently. Only one of those 3 can be under 12 months. I was a childminder for 25 years.When I started out I looked after one child who came to me only in term time. I had a child aged 4 of my own and I liked that I was free to be with just DD in the school holidays. I then increased the number of children I cared for but there were usually some teacher's children in the mix which meant the school holidays were a bit quieter and it made going on outings easier.

Embracelife · 04/10/2021 22:22

Maybe you could do respite care for SEN ? But they may need one to one care.

Graphista · 04/10/2021 22:14

I've been a childminder op.

Do you have any idea what it involves? Quite honestly one child would not make it even close to worth your while financially.

It's not just dbs and insurance, you're required to have health & safety, 1st aid, safeguarding, food and hygiene and other various registrations and certification

You also are required to have your home laid out a certain way and provide certain toys, books and equipment.

Then there are various other overheads inc but not ltd to wear and tear on your home, transport, food etc

It's honestly not worth doing if you're only going to have one charge.

Very few parents want term time only too!

Maryann1975 · 04/10/2021 21:21

I started childminding When I had one dc of my own, doing very part time hours with two extra dc, then when I had my own second dc, I only had one extra and it stayed like that for a few years as then I had dc3. As dc 2 went to school I took on the sibling of mindee number 1. Now that my dc are secondary age, I have built up and have 3 or 4 each day.

It’s years since I started out, so not sure on start up costs, but annually I pay £35 to ofsted, insurance is £120, safeguarding and first aid, in total about £150 every 2-3 years. Cost of other cpd- I budget about £10-20 a month for this. Food/snacks, groups, activities, petrol are all regular outgoings, but these are as high/low as you want them to be and depends how imaginative you can be.

Equipment can be costly when you start out, double buggy, extra cost/high chairs etc, but you can get them second hand and once you have them, if you look after them, they will last.

Obviously it won’t be anywhere near a teacher wage, but if you just need to bring in a little bit extra and are prepared for the amount of work lo9king after little ones actually is, I think it’s workable.

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