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childminder and force feeding ishoos

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cuppa · 03/12/2007 12:48

OK, dd3 goes to childminder. Generally she is excellent and dd very happy there.

BUT. dd is poor eater. Has poor appetite, often eats little, but does have tendancy to try to fill up on/prefer snacks (crackers, fruit) rather than proper meals. Trying to ensure she doesn't snack at expense of meals.

She has lunch at childminders 2x a week

Today, go to collect her after lunch (am in hurry), dd has 2 spoonfuls of pasta left. I think she was eating as I arrived (childminder on phone). She anyhow stopped when I arrived and I needed to go anyway. Childminder finishes call and insists dd finishes plate (other mindees long gone upstairs playing.

I don't want to undermine cm, as I know it's hard to have 1 rule for 1 kid and other rule for the rest, BUT, I don't want to creat battle round food, dd was really crying she didn't want to finish, CM telling her (in kind but firm tones) she mustn't be stubborn, she had to finish, just cos I turn up she can't just stop etc etc. But like I said, I don't want dd sitting weeping over her dinner and creating possibly more food problems than we already have. I don't feel happy with being forced to clear your plate and to sit there forever till you do.
OTOH, how can I insist cm has different rule for my kid than for the others? Plus I acknowledge maybe dd does eat better for her and she's such a crap eater cos of me in the 1st place.

She is due to go again tomorrow and I feel I should discuss but don't know what to say.

Any ideas? Sorry for ramble.

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BeeWiseMen · 03/12/2007 13:27

again apologies if I'm being naive, but isn't accomodating parents' different wishes something a cm just has to learn to deal with?

I think if you can bring this up calmly with your CM you might be surprised by her response. It may simply not have occurred to her that you want it done any other way, especially if that's how she brought her own children up.

Obviously, if she insists that rule has to stand in her house then you would have a big decision to make regarding her continuing to care for her child but it may not come to that. And you are not overreacting to this issue (if that's what you suspect). It is very very important and is a decision a parent should make not a CM. She may be happy to do what you wish or you may be able to find a compromise.

VictorianSqualor · 03/12/2007 13:14

Teaching a child they have to finish everything on their plate is not good practice for parents or childminders.
Teaching a child to eat good food rather than rubbish is very different to 'eat all that'.
Children will generally only eat until they are full, unless taught otherwise.

I know from experience, I used to make DD eat everything that was on her plate, as my mother did with me, she will now eat tons, huge platefuls, because she has lost the undertanding that she has had enough, she isn't suffering because I don't give her too much but I have to encourage her to only eat what she wants from her plate, vegetables first, obviously. If I let her she would be terribly overweight now.

I've done it myself, I'll be eating my dinner and feel like I've ahd enough, but I don't stop eating because ym brain has been trained to finish my plate, it is not healthy and I have had problems with weight for years, going from a size 8 to a size 18 within a few months and vice versa, many a time. So I personally would definitely mention to the childminder that I didn't want DD to be force fed, because of these ishoos, it is our place to make sure we don't create eating disorders.

DS is different, he was fed on demand as a baby and has never been made to finish his dinner, he will be told to eat the 'good' stuff rather than the treats, but if he has had enough, then he doesn't have to finish it, he unlike his sister never has to be watched wrt overeating.

cuppa · 03/12/2007 13:10

No cm is slender, and normally wonderful, patient and kind. She clearly genuinely believes this is the right way to conduct meal times. There is no anger or shouting or anything (from her) and I totally agree with all of you, bwm, swd etc, but if this has been her firm belief and policy for x years and she is extremely consistent with her mindees and own children alike on this rule, how on earth do I approach her/get her to not do it with my dd.

I will speak to her tomorrow, but I cannot see how I can get her to change her rule just for my dd. I am really at a loss. I can't work out how to speak to her/what to say/ and what I'll say to her if that's her rule and she's sticking to it, other than withdrawing my dd which would be problematic on many levels (childcare, cm is neighbour, ill feeling, esp just before Christmas)

Other than this, CM is wonderful and tbh probably better with my dd than me am impatient and lazy, she is the opposite.

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BoysAreLikeReindeer · 03/12/2007 13:09

Talk to your CM, before this gets too big a problem for you.

I am sure that dusty and amidaiwish are right, and that she is not 'force-feeding' per se.

It's always upsetting to see your child cry, whatever the circumstances

LOONEYplayingachristmasTUNEy · 03/12/2007 13:08

Dustystar does have a very good point though, speak to the CM first as dd MAY have been crying because she wanted to stop as you'd arrived? (quite normal ime).

LOONEYplayingachristmasTUNEy · 03/12/2007 13:07

OMG, I'm a CM and would never make a child finish their food if they didn't want it! . I do have a rule that if they don't eat a reasonable amount of their lunch/dinner, they don't get dessert and this is something I wouldn't change for a parents as it would be unfair on everyone else (they could provide food if they wanted or not come to me) BUT I'd never ever force feed a child!!! My poor dh was brought up with his mother insisting all was eaten and if they didn't eat it, the food would be served up cold the next day!!

I can totally understand why you are upset and I suggest you explain this to your CM.

How old is your dd btw?

amidaiwish · 03/12/2007 13:04

and i do think there is a mile of difference between a bit of cajoling

"go on, eat a bit more, you'll be hungry" or "that broccoli is tasty, eat it up" or "you've got to eat a bit more"

vs
"sit there and eat everything"

dustystar · 03/12/2007 13:03

If you are concerned then speak to your cm about it. We do have certain house rules and this may well be one of hers but if you have any concerns it is always better to discuss them with your CM so that you can come to an agreement about how to proceed.

It may be that while she is slower at eating than the other mindees she is generally not distressed about having to finish her food. She may have become upset because you had arrived and she wanted to be with you.

amidaiwish · 03/12/2007 13:02

no jumping here, i couldn't agree more.

is cm fat? i know that doesn't seem relevant, but it'll make it less likely she argues with you if you say you have a dfferent approach to food!

sophiewd · 03/12/2007 13:02

I would be estremely angry and upset by this, it happened to me at school, sometimes DD eats, sometimes she doesn't, the nursery lets us know what h=she has eaten, but they nver force her, and we don't either as don't want her to start having issues with food. Can you not speak quietly to CM?

BeeWiseMen · 03/12/2007 13:01

you can't just leave it. Tell her it is totally at odds with your attitudes to food. Perhaps she didn't want the last two mouthfuls because she was full? It's horrible trying to force more food into yourself when you're already full. Personally I don't think finishing what's on your plate is necessarily an appropriate rule for a child living in a society where food is cheap and plentiful and where the problem is children and adults eating more than they need. How on earth is your DD supposed to learn to regulate her own appetite and only eat when she's hungry if she is being forced to eat food she does not have an appetite for?

amidaiwish · 03/12/2007 13:00

why not say that you don't agree with forcing your dd to carry on eating when she's had enough.

maybe she could give her a very small portion, that she would finish, and then give more?

cuppa · 03/12/2007 12:56

dunno if the other parents know, I'm sure it comes from her, and I'm sure she is well-meaning but I felt really frustrated and angry watching dd sitting crying when we have so many problems with her eating in the 1st place. But I also understnad the 1 rule for all, so what do I do? How can I tell her to set a different rule for my dd? Or should I just leave it? It bothers me greatly

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BeeWiseMen · 03/12/2007 12:53

I agree with you that it's a really bad idea to create that much stress over food.

are you sure this rule about finishing what's on your plate is what the other parents want the cm to enforce? Do they even know this is what she does?

your child, your rules, surely? Or am I naive?

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