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Childminder changing rules

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Mama12345678910 · 28/01/2021 10:37

Hi everyone after some advice and if you know where we stand.

Without notice our childminder has changed her policy to state that if a child has any of the main symptoms such as cough, temp etc they need to get a test and then isolate but also if they have a range of symptoms such as vomiting, runny nose, headache etc!

It then goes on to say that even if my child has a test and tests negative they still need to isolate for 10 days!

Is this even allowed? This wasn’t in the contact we originally signed or policy’s and if my child has to be off every time they have a symptom which could be a symptom of covid he will never be in. I don’t get paid when I have to take time off for him either.

Let me know

OP posts:
Iminaglasscaseofemotion · 28/01/2021 15:54

@dementedpixie

She implied it was changed guidance in the UK and its not
We don't even know of the OP is in the UK for sure.
Iminaglasscaseofemotion · 28/01/2021 15:51

[quote Mama12345678910]@canigooutyet I never said I would send my vomiting child there I would keep him off for 48hours after he was last sick. As I’ve stated I don’t have a problem with that. I have a problem with her expecting him to stay off even after a negative test for 10 days and if he isn’t entitled to a test e.g vomiting because it is not a recognised symptom by our government then he still has to isolate for 10 days!

Also schools have to go off government guidance not their own so a school would be unable to put this in place[/quote]
But school can still implement a policy change r new policy at short notice.

dementedpixie · 28/01/2021 15:51

She implied it was changed guidance in the UK and its not

Iminaglasscaseofemotion · 28/01/2021 15:50

And who sends their vomiting child to mingle with other people in the first place? Cannot get over she had to actually mention this

Honestly, nearly every parent I have ever minded for, and my mum says the same, (she has been a childminder for almost 30 years) does it. Even when you have it as a policy, parents ignore it and pretend they are absolutely fine and withing 10 minutes of coming in the door they have been sick all over the place.

Iminaglasscaseofemotion · 28/01/2021 15:46

Jennifer has posted guidance from the CDC which is American. How does that apply to UK guidance?

I suppose covid symptoms are the same everywhere really.

canigooutyet · 28/01/2021 15:43

I never said you did. I questioned why people do it for it to be mentioned in the first place.

The guidelines don't mention if they have a negative. If they have symptoms for 10 days

www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-early-years-and-childcare-closures/coronavirus-covid-19-early-years-and-childcare-closures#risk-assessments-and-individuals-with-protected-characteristics

Same4Walls · 28/01/2021 15:37

Sounds like she wants a bit of time off!

I have to agree it will certainly make her lofe easier. If she's expecting a child with any symptom to not come in for 10 days she's going to have a large part of each month with hardly any children.

Ineedsleepzz · 28/01/2021 15:34

She sounds ridiculous.
I would go elsewhere.

Sounds like she wants a bit of time off!

MaMaD1990 · 28/01/2021 15:29

@Mama12345678910 you clearly feel like she is being unreasonable. What else are you wanting from this thread? You seem to just be repeating yourself an awful lot. Either crack on with the childminders new change in policy or find a new childminder.

Mama12345678910 · 28/01/2021 15:22

@canigooutyet I never said I would send my vomiting child there I would keep him off for 48hours after he was last sick. As I’ve stated I don’t have a problem with that. I have a problem with her expecting him to stay off even after a negative test for 10 days and if he isn’t entitled to a test e.g vomiting because it is not a recognised symptom by our government then he still has to isolate for 10 days!

Also schools have to go off government guidance not their own so a school would be unable to put this in place

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ivfbeenbusy · 28/01/2021 15:13

I'd look for a new childminder - it's unreasonable and unrealistic to expect a child to be kept home for 10 days after a negative test. She can set whatever rules she likes obviously but in my experience some childminders act like they have parents backed in to a corner as they know we rely on them and just expect you to put up with these sort of things. She can make the rules but you are also free to find a new childminder

canigooutyet · 28/01/2021 15:06

Don't schools have similar guidelines - if symptoms and no test, stay at home.

And who sends their vomiting child to mingle with other people in the first place? Cannot get over she had to actually mention this

Hopefully more places will also stamp out the stupidness of dosing kids up with calpol when they have a temperature and sending them off to childminders, nurseries, schools etc.

dementedpixie · 28/01/2021 15:05

Jannier not Jennifer!

Iminaglasscaseofemotion · 28/01/2021 15:05

Apparently everyone on this thread who doesn't agree with you @Daisypaisy2 is sitting at home locked in their houses taking no risks at all.

dementedpixie · 28/01/2021 15:04

Jennifer has posted guidance from the CDC which is American. How does that apply to UK guidance?

Iminaglasscaseofemotion · 28/01/2021 15:03

*Sorry media posts? Who told you that? It’s all well and good you sitting at home looking from your own point of view.

You have stated your goady opinion and I have given you mine.*

Sorry what was "goady" about jannier's posts? They outlined the guidance which you seemed unaware of.

Iminaglasscaseofemotion · 28/01/2021 14:59

it’s not that I’m not aware. MOST children present with NO symptoms or did you choose to forget that part?

No, and that's very unfortunate because it creates an even higher risk which is a worry for everyone. Not much you can do in that instance though, unless she shuts her business completely, which she's obviously not doing, so she'sinimising the risk as much as possible.

Because I had Covid and my child was FIND however he may well of had it and I didn’t know because there hasn’t always been testing available.

What do you mean hasn't always been available, it's still not available to people without symptoms. So if your child was FINE, as you put it, why would they test? They still have to isolate because YOU were positive.

Can you not humble yourself? Doctors look at chest x rays and so on... there’s no need to include every time some has a cold FFS!!!

No idea what you are talking about Confused humble myself?
Why would itatter what doctors are doing in hospitals with chest xrays? Weird!

Like I said you sound like you work from home or have high school children so it suits you to be OTT. Mean while lots of people are doing risky jobs.

Well yes, as I already said I work from home looking after other peoles children (I'm a childminder) along with my own children who are both at school, or were. One at high school, one at primary (although not sure what one being at high school has to do with anything. They had higher rates than the primary school Confused). I looked after people's children while they were out doing risky jobs, my partner has quite high risk in his job, my children were at school. I was doing a risky job up until about 6 weeks ago while pregnant Confused so no, it's not convenient for me to be OTT.

MaMaD1990 · 28/01/2021 14:59

She can change her policy to whatever she wants. You protesting how unreasonable it is won't change anything so if it's not something you can work with, give notice and go elsewhere.

Daisypaisy2 · 28/01/2021 14:56

[quote jannier]@Daisypaisy2

Have you now read the current guidence for children that was updated by the government or are you going by general media posts?[/quote]
Sorry media posts? Who told you that? It’s all well and good you sitting at home looking from your own point of view.

You have stated your goady opinion and I have given you mine.

Iminaglasscaseofemotion · 28/01/2021 14:49

Which is her right but small children get colds and tummy aches and runny noses. She'll have no charges left at all if she's expecting them to be off every time they have any symptom of any illness.

She probably will because these illnesses are not as prevalent at the moment. Even if that is the case, that's her choice.

Daisypaisy2 · 28/01/2021 14:48

@Iminaglasscaseofemotion it’s not that I’m not aware. MOST children present with NO symptoms or did you choose to forget that part? Because I had Covid and my child was FIND however he may well of had it and I didn’t know because there hasn’t always been testing available.

Can you not humble yourself? Doctors look at chest x rays and so on... there’s no need to include every time some has a cold FFS!!!

Like I said you sound like you work from home or have high school children so it suits you to be OTT. Mean while lots of people are doing risky jobs.

What didn’t I know? Confused

Iminaglasscaseofemotion · 28/01/2021 14:47

@Mama12345678910

Yes that is the exact list that is in the policy. I have no problem at all keeping my child off when they’re actually sick. Like genuinely unwell such as 48hrs with sickness etc but say my child vomits at his childminders on the Monday so I collect him and ordinarily would keep him off 48hrs so he would go back on the Thursday but she is now saying that 48hrs has to be 10 days even if he is fine after 48hrs so he could have 1 bout of sickness bearing in mind vomiting bugs are rife in the winter and that would be him off for 10 days!

Again if he has a runny nose for a few days and clears up, he isn’t allowed to return for 10 days after that’s started. She has a sickness policy this is going against and a covid policy again that doesn’t mention this however these have just been introduced from today with no warning.

Like many have said I’m not prepared to lie to get him a test and regardless if I do she still won’t have him back for 10 days even if symptoms have passed e.g vomiting etc. Surely that’s a breach of contract. Even 119 said their is no reason he can’t return. A school wouldn’t be able to do that

That's because all those illnesses could now be symptoms of covid. It's obviously not a risk your childminder is willing to take.

Also it's 48 hours since the last bout of vomiting, not 48 hours from removing the child from the setting. That's in normal times.

She has updated her policy with immediate effect, as she is within her rights to do as a self emotes person.
It's not breach of contract.
From what a pp posted up thread, guidelines are to keep your child at home even with a negative test. 119 can tell you there is no reason the child can't return, but they can't force the childminder childminder look after your child, and neither can you.
Your childminder isn't a school. I also think during a pandemic, schools can change their policies at short notice.

dementedpixie · 28/01/2021 14:40

@jannier why are you posting from the CDC website? That is not info for the UK

Iminaglasscaseofemotion · 28/01/2021 14:36

I’ve worked on a Covid ward since March. I know the risk and you sound like a hypochondriac by far.

If you've worked on a covid ward since March, should you not be a bit more aware of the symptoms that children present? Confused.

jannier · 28/01/2021 14:36

Please remember children going to early years are doing so becouse staff are riskingtheir lives and the lives of their families inorder to give your children the best chance of good brain development...see publications on five to thrive if you want to know why.....its not so you can work but to improve your child's life chances....respect any illness at this time can be passed on meaning others need to isolate and test.....and also we have fewer cause of colds, chicken pox etc because children are not mixing.

If your child is ill keep at home save lives and stop others having to stay home becouse you spread it. Dont be selfish be kind.

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