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Parents insisting you cm a child with contagious illness who is very poorly

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rainbow71 · 12/10/2007 13:00

I currently cm for 3 under 5's one of which has just come down with chicken pox. The parents insist I look after him even though he has high temp and is not eating and barely drinking. I have said no as I feel it's against the best interest of the child and would mean me keeping in the other children (they have had this illness already)and they have threatened ending the contract without notice if I do not have him. I would be interested to know what other cm's would do in this situation. I have said I am happy for him to come back when the spots have crusted over and his temp is back to normal.

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NAB3 · 12/10/2007 14:02

Where is the child now?

CarGirl · 12/10/2007 14:02

Rainbow it's like they don't value their child let alone you as his CM

NAB3 · 12/10/2007 14:00

Having just read the OP I would be very tempted to say fine, end of me working for you.

bloodsuckingLOONEY · 12/10/2007 13:59

rainbow - poor you, don't we CMs have to put up with some crap from parents!!! I had my first ever fall out with a parent recently because her 9 month old baby had a temp of 39.9, was really ill, crying, wasn't eating or taking bottles etc and she couldn't believe I was trying to get her sent home. She bullied me and you know what....little miss nicey nice 'yes mam 3 bags full mam' Looneytune SNAPPED.......I said 'by the way, you know that a nursery would send her home for MUCH less than I do' and she said 'yes, that's why i won't use a nursery ' and I said 'fine, feel free to look at other CMs, I will be VERY interested if you manage to find someone else who would let her stay when this poorly' and went on to explain exactly why I couldn't keep her. I was shaking but do you know what....when she finally picked her up, she acted normal and has been ultra smiley and chatty as if nothing happened!!! It took a lot for me to snap like that but I'm so glad I did!

I totally agree with what everyone else has said, I'm fuming on your behalf and tbh, with people talking to me like that, I'd give notice asap anyway. And yes, they can't NOT pay you - they are just trying it on!!!

One tip I got from someone recently...if they refuse to collect.....'ok then, I'll call an ambulance instead' She was deadly serious, she'd say this (works in pre-school, SAZ knows the person and said about how children are at risk of convulsions with temp over x so if parents won't collect, she WILL call an ambulance)

rainbow71 · 12/10/2007 13:58

Hi, yes when my daughter had cp I informed all of the parents and said that obviously I would not charge if they wished to keep their child away. Equally would be able to look after them if rqd as my dd not ill with it but they needed to know that their child could pick it up as it is contagious. This boy's mum said that was okay after talking to her dh and she didn't mind if he caught it. Obviously she now feels that this means I should happily also look after her child with cp even though he's very poorly with it and I didn't have a pregnant mum at the time. Hence the mentioning of my dd. I have a funny feeling they will just not bring him again and will not give me notice etc.

She has said over and over again how happy and settled he is here and how much he enjoys coming. Often he cries because he wants to stay and carry on playing when mum comes to pick up. She is normally so appreciative of what I do, this is showing me a completely new side to her and her dh. I can't believe it's come to this but I don't think he will come back again. I don't think they will back down.

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flowerybeanbag · 12/10/2007 13:56

here you go online small claims court thingy.

CarGirl · 12/10/2007 13:55

I agree with Lulu tbh if they don't end the contract I think I would.

VoluptuaGoodshag · 12/10/2007 13:55

Tell em to go and get stuffed. I'm stunned that they would NOT want to be with their sick child. FGS. Utterly .

expatinscotland · 12/10/2007 13:54

then let them end the contract.

too bad, so sad.

yes, i feel sorry for people who are under pressure from work like that.

but you know what, rainbow, that is not your problem.

your problem is what is best for all your mindees, and caring for a very ill child ins't.

what if he fell really, really ill under your care?

these people could sue you, you could face charges, etc.

NO WAY is that worth their patronage.

i'd take them to small claims court.

Lulumama · 12/10/2007 13:47

i think either way, the working relationship is ruined, let them find someone else they can take advantage of. how obnoxious.

MaureenMLove · 12/10/2007 13:43

What are you going to do then? We're all here and clearly minders and parents all think the same way, so you can be assured that whatever she says, we'll give you an answer!

muppetgirl · 12/10/2007 13:40

I am astounded that any mother/parent would be okay to leave a child that is still ill with anyone not family -no offence to you intended at all.

A child that has a temp and is barely eating????

Saz73 · 12/10/2007 13:38

I would call her bluff too, even to the point of say that you'll end the contract if they don't pick him up. They would have trouble finding childcare for him next week if he's got CP, no other CM/nursery would take him till clear!! If he's got it really bad should be at home with parents having lots of cuddles. Why do we put up with all this rubbish from parents!!

Megsdaughter · 12/10/2007 13:36

call their bluff, bloody disgrace, Iwould then also keep a eye out for a replacement mindee.

I have never given notice to a mindee, but have a few parents IYKWIM.

MissInvisible · 12/10/2007 13:34

how is she corresponding this info to you?, i would ring her/text?, tell her your contract says xy &z, you (presumably?) spoke to other parents about them coming when your dd had cp and your dd did not need one to one care where as her 2yr old baby DOES.
say if she does wish to go back on the contract she signed, then ultimatly that is her descision and you will invoice her for her notice period mentioning that as she signed in agreement to this, she is legally bound and you do not want this to become nasty(are you with ncma, did you use thier contrcts?, they reinterate all this and will take this on for you)..good luck, let us know how it go's

lemonaid · 12/10/2007 13:32

Possibly over-dramatic, too, but... CP can be dangerous (very rare, but the toddler son of a friend of mine died from complications that set in very quickly). He should be with his parents.

barnstaple · 12/10/2007 13:30

What utterly selfish people. Do mention that they'll be in breach of contract if they refuse to pay. As they're saving they won't want to spend the money on fighting it.

ingles2 · 12/10/2007 13:29

Oh FGS! Call their bluff rainbow! This is just bullying tactics! I love the " let down" line...Wonder if they feel let down by child for contracting bl**dy illness!!!!!!! Honestly some people!

MaureenMLove · 12/10/2007 13:29

Blimey Rainbow, thats awful! She hasn't got a leg to stand on though! I undestand where she's coming from with your dd, but I assume you advised them she had CP and gave them the option of bringing him or not? I'd contact your advisor for info tbh. Its just not on!

newgirl · 12/10/2007 13:28

definitely dont take him until spots have crusted over -that is what our nursery would do - some kids get it very badly and feel lousy

i am sure you would find a new client

they obviously have no idea what they are doing poor kid

CarGirl · 12/10/2007 13:28

Also presumably they had the choice of not sending their ds to you (without charge) when your dc had CP, ie you told them and they choose to still send him!

LoveMyGirls · 12/10/2007 13:26

Read up on the possible complications of CP in contact with pg women and it will make you more determined not to have mindee while he is contagious also you cxannot carry on with normal activities with a child with cp - toddlers groups etc which is unfair on you and the children you mind. They are legally bound to pay you the notice period, give her the number for NCMA helpline and they will tell her on your behalf. You are in the right stay strong and if she takes mindee out of your care then she is being ridiculous. A nursery wouldn't put up with this treatment. Am very on your behalf.

CarGirl · 12/10/2007 13:26

I think you just have to call their bluff, remind them that they signed the contracts. I really do not think I would want them as long term parents with an attitude like that.

Also remind them that CP can be dangerous one of mine ended up hospitalised because of it. Because I had been caring for her I knew that she hadn't slept etc etc for 48 hours and that there was something very wrong. Cp is not just some harmless virus.

flowerybeanbag · 12/10/2007 13:25

rainbow that's terrible, sounds like they are trying to bully you into taking their child and assuming you wouldn't chase them for the notice money.

I'd stick to your guns and say absolutely no problem if they wish to terminate the contract, and should the notice money not be forthcoming you will pursue the matter through the small claims court.

The small claims court is easy to do now, you can do it online.

lalaa · 12/10/2007 13:22

what about if one of the mums of the other mindees is pregnant and not immune? remote possibility given that the other mindees have had it already, but you never know. it's really not just about the other children, but also about adults that the infectious child may come into contact with.

apart from that, if the child is clearly ill, surely the best place for him is with one of his parents.

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