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Parents insisting you cm a child with contagious illness who is very poorly

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rainbow71 · 12/10/2007 13:00

I currently cm for 3 under 5's one of which has just come down with chicken pox. The parents insist I look after him even though he has high temp and is not eating and barely drinking. I have said no as I feel it's against the best interest of the child and would mean me keeping in the other children (they have had this illness already)and they have threatened ending the contract without notice if I do not have him. I would be interested to know what other cm's would do in this situation. I have said I am happy for him to come back when the spots have crusted over and his temp is back to normal.

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DarthVader · 15/10/2007 19:54

rainbow71 poor you to have to deal with such unreasonable folk

Pennies · 15/10/2007 19:52

Well they cut of their nose despite their face there didn't they. So for you and for their son - such a shame that their seflishness has resulted in you and him losing out.

LoveMyGirls · 15/10/2007 19:49

Yes definatley get the moeny who knows how long it will be until you fill that vacancy, I cannot believe people put their own wants (wanting the cm to care for their sick child) instead of the needs of their child (the fact he loves comingt o you and is happy and settled) Whats selfish !!!!!!!!!!!!!! on your behalf though you will be better off emotionally.

bloodsuckingLOONEY · 15/10/2007 19:43

OMG - thought when they said about meeting that that meant they were going to apologise You're better off without parents like these but it's still, it's so sad

Please don't tell me that you've agreed they don't have to pay? I'd be MORE determined to get my money if I'd been treated like this!!!

{{{ hugs }}}

rainbow71 · 15/10/2007 19:28

Hello, Well here's the update. Unfortunately mum phoned late last night demanding a mtg straight away. They came over and said they were very disapointed I could not have ds whilst he was ill and even though they new their ds was very happy with me they were ending the contract immediately without notice as I had let them down. They had arranged other child care for the following week (after the contagious period was over). Mum cried and said how much he enjoyed coming here, dad couldn't say anything. They did manage to say they would not pay the notice period. I said it was a shame it had come to this as I felt it was out of my control and that I had always childminded on the spur of the moment outside my normal hours (even the weekend) and felt I had always done everything to be supportive to their needs. They agreed with this but still said they were now stuck with childcare this week and felt very let down and that I should have put their ds first before any other child/parent etc. I obviously can't do this as every child and parent has equal concern in my childminding setting. It would also mean I would have to look after other children that could then pick it up and I could end up staying in for weeks with poorly children affecting all of their normal routines including their own ds. Obviously these heated discussions being forced on me at inappropriate times were also causing upset to my own children. I therefore said that of course I accepted there decision, but was very sorry it had come to this.

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Mum2Luke · 15/10/2007 18:50

I am a CM and am disgusted too with these parents, I'm sure one of them could take time off work to look after their little one? They do not think that we look after other children and we do not stay in all day drinking tea while they play.

My own child had chicken pox this year, I asked both sets of parents what they would like to do as far as me looking after their child or them using one of my cm colleagues who had a vacancy. I advised one of the parents who is pregnant with her 2nd child not to come, she did not realise it was a danger to the baby being a new Mum. The toddler luckily did not catch it and the 4 yr old had already had it so he came as usual.

I know its difficult but our children should come first and I wouldn't want my little one being poorly at a cm when all he wants is his Mum/Dad.

MaureenMLove · 15/10/2007 13:26

Oh yes! Well remembered LMG! What's happening Rainbow?

LoveMyGirls · 15/10/2007 13:20

Any update Rainbow?

StrawberryMartini · 12/10/2007 18:58

Oops meant

StrawberryMartini · 12/10/2007 18:58

I am {angry] for you. Hope you stick to your guns and come back on here to tell us what happened!

newgirl · 12/10/2007 18:53

as the child caught cp from your child i can see why they are asking/trying it on

however at the end of the day, the child will have caught it at some point eg school/nursery so he was never going to avoid it

parents do get parental leave for poorly kids dont they so surely they can take some time off

motherinferior · 12/10/2007 17:10

Speaking as someone who uses a childminder, I simply cannot believe this. I don't expect my (fab) CM to be a nurse!

MaureenMLove · 12/10/2007 17:05

I'm wondering if this has brought to light a clause we all ought to think about putting in our policies. Something about illness of our children. We all, I assume, say that when we are ill, we don't work etc, but its a bit of a grey area when it comes to our own kids.

Kiddi · 12/10/2007 16:54

the point of that long ramble was whilst It may cause more offence you could always try explaining how this was making you feel and that you feel let down by their uncomprimising attitude and their threats to someone(you) they have been previosly happy to leave with their most precious loved one.

Kiddi · 12/10/2007 16:49

I know its may sound harsh to parents but when my Lo had Chicken Pox I offerred to work as she was not too bad, tho got other minder to cover after schoolers, just in case. I also said to parents its your choice, I can still mind yours(if not full refund) BUT if yours get it I CAN NOT mind unless they are well with it AND ALL other parents are TOTALLY OK with them stil attending. Seemed harsh but explained that whole CP could cover 6 weeks if they all tok it in turn. No-one gave me notice, one child caught it and stuck to my rules and all were ok.
I did tho get shouted at by one parent for my 48 hour exclision period after her sicking daughter had one day off, stating that when my daughter had been sick one morning If had offerred to work as knew it was her blood sugars etc (as she always throws up just once first thing if she falls asleep without dinner) and she said I had double standards. I agreed that it could look that way but at that point really bad bug was going round and her daughter was last one to get it, I had not had it and said it was too much of a risk as if I got it whilst breaking the rules then all parents would have to take more time of, having alradey had much time off for first child them illness themselves and it was just all too much of a ricsk. she kept child at hoe but next morning this lead into big debate about how my standards had dropped, how I made false promises etc etc etc. I said that she needed to come back after work to discuss it all as I thought things had been going very well. Later she text to ask if her DD was ok after mum shouting, i told her truthfully that her DD was fine but I was very upset by whole thing, she then rang to she if I was really upset , which I was tho putting brave face on for our DD's. Her whole attitude changed she apologised and said she did not realise I would have got upset as Im always so sorted that she forgot I had feelings too. things are great now and are still nearly a year later, but I did think I would be getting notice when she was shouting.

CarGirl · 12/10/2007 16:16

Have been thinking about this, I wonder if you include a note stating how you understand they are upset and caught off guard by you not being able to have him due to CP, but it's because he has such a bad case and there can be complications when this is the case. Also saying that if your dd had been so unwell you would not have been working and had you known x mum was pregnant then you wouldn't have had her dc etc etc

They are being unreasonable but I wonder if they just didn't see this situation arising and it caught them off guard ? Kind of giving them the benefit of the doubt IYSWIM and making it easier for them to admit they were wrong and bring him back?

Just my thoughts but if the working relationship doesn't recover from this then it really is goodbye regardless.

bloodsuckingLOONEY · 12/10/2007 14:20

there's me ranting (think being stuck indoors all week has got to me! ) when there was a good suggestion there - a card would be nice but IF you do that, somehow it's got to be made clear where things stand will illnesses, you can't go through this again!

bloodsuckingLOONEY · 12/10/2007 14:19

rainbow - so it ended like that did it? Well....if they don't come back, send them an invoice with deadline for payment etc. Very important.....are you with NCMA??? If so, phone them NOW for advice and they will help you with what to include in your letter and deadlines etc!!!

Sorry, I know there are lots of lovely parents on here but I've had a GUTFUL of mindees parents recently (one messing up with a day off I told her about in writing and at last min she said she HAD to use me as had no childcare (although she was fully aware I was going to the Dr's about something VERY important and emotional), others expecting me to have their VERY poorly children, other childminders I know being lied to about parents going to the Dr, someone elses mindee parent expected the CM to go to a parent meeting at school.....the list goes on!!!! (didn't mention other CMs names on here as not for me to say) All this sort of behaviour makes me want to quit childminding sometimes - shame as the children are great!!

rainbow71 · 12/10/2007 14:18

Thanks everyone, Will send a card. Many thanks for all your advice, it's always nice to get others advice.

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CarGirl · 12/10/2007 14:14

send him a get well soon card from all the mindees along with a small gift!

CarGirl · 12/10/2007 14:13

You could play the bigger person card text them or phone (if you're brave) " How is x, I hope he has improved dramatically, once his temperature has dropped and he is eating again let me know. Am looking forward to seeing him again"

Good luck!

rainbow71 · 12/10/2007 14:11

hi nab3. At home as I said yesterday I would not be able to take him all of this kicked off last night. With a phone call from his parents at 9pm demanding I take him. I stuck to my guns but do not think he will be coming back again. This is very upsetting as I have got very close to him and will miss him but don't believe the parents will bring him back to save face.

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expatinscotland · 12/10/2007 14:04

yes, i'd DEFFO tell anyone who refused to collect that i'd be phoning the police and an ambulance and would be happy to pass on my concerns to social services.

MaureenMLove · 12/10/2007 14:04

Small point to remember, don't be the one to end the contract now! You'll loose the money!

lemonaid · 12/10/2007 14:03

The only possible sort-of exception I can think of to the "they are being totally unreasonable" position would be if their DS had actually caught it from your DD (still if he's that sick he should be at home, but I can kind of see how they might have misunderstood what they were agreeing to when they left him with you while she had CP). But from what you've said about timings I'm guessing that's not the case?

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