Furloughing nanny

Personally I didn't stop work and provide care for multiple families.

However Government has stated that there would be sector guidance. They produced some and now have removed it. So I was asking if anyone has found where they have now put it.

Pre-schools and nurseries are not back open to all - their staff can not work from home, yet they are not open until 1st June at earliest. The lack of educational establishments being open means some nannies cannot go back to work unless their employer is happy them taking their own children with them, thus mixing children from different families.

So children cannot go round to a friends house to play or meet in a playground but nannies children can go to work with them... it does not make sense.

@Nannynick: latest guidance is clearly stated for all now: go back to work if you are not in a vulnerable group / shielding a household member.

This includes nannies, for whom workplace is far safer than almost all other jobs I can think of.

What You Can And Can't Do FAQ has been changed by Government. No section 12 at all now, so nothing about nannies being able to work.

Anyone found latest guidance on GovUk?

Totally agree. Hence Nannies should go back so that their employers can work freely

And means they keep their jobs so the nanny keeps her

@Blondeshavemorefun indeed, I think we all wish we could go see our families and wish it were possible to mix with our loved ones.
But most of us - including NHS, shop workers, and others - have to continue working, and the rules for that are different from the rules for socialising.
Luckily for nannies, their workspace is very safe compared to 90% of other professions who mix with dozens of people a day - with PPE and office social distancing measures that are nothing like having just one family you see every day

@Wobblywombat I know Nannies can work but many feel if they can go to a house (tho there work place) and mix with a family

Yet can’t go and see their parents or siblings

Seems the rules get tweaked

Tho agree Nannies should work. They will be in one place seeing them same people

Compared to a poor shop worker who see thousands a day :(

Thanks @nannynick I used that salary calculator which gave me the result I was expecting, I then redid the govt calculator and managed to get the same figures (I think I had answered some of the questions incorrectly as I was a bit confused by pay periods vs pay dates). Will be happy to have our nanny back now given the most recent guidance.

There is finally some clear guidance on whether nannies should come to work or not - the government has published new guidance that daily nannies CAN work at the home of their charges (as long as they are not in a vulnerable group).
www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do

Finally, some clear advice - hopefully avoids more misunderstandings between families wanting their nannies to come in and nannies believing that goes against guidance...

As @Pidgythe2nd said nannies can still work

So you are have a nanny and working at home you can ask your annnt to come in

But

Stay out of their way. Adults Don’t be in same room

And take off travelling time so if nanny did 7-7 maybe let them do the time you would work so 830/9- 5/6

Not sure if this calculator will be of any help or not.
www.thesalarycalculator.co.uk/prorata.php

If you are paying April salary as all furlough and the monthly gross pay is consistent, then 80% of the gross and then put that though the PAYE software you use making sure the figure is not more than £2500 (the cap).

Then for your claim as the employer follow the guidance document, to claim the gross pay, employers NI and part of pension.

Thanks but we don’t a payroll company I just use the HMRC payroll software (RTI). I found that all pretty complicated but this seems to be beyond me! I’ll see if there any other online calculators I can try though. I’m assuming HMRC will be checking all claims and will adjust if anyone gets it horribly wrong!

Can your payroll company help? Mine has a furlough payment calculator spreadsheet which does it for you

can anyone help with the calculations with a very basic walkthrough? i'm finding it really difficult in terms of pay periods. our nanny is paid on the last friday of every month and works 3 days a week, so sometimes a five week and sometimes a 4 week month. we have topped up to full pay but the HMRC calculator cannot do a full calculation of NI where employers are topping up. I am not sure what dates I should be putting in and the calculations i'm getting on the HMRC website seem really low compared to what I'm working out in my head!

The document to which Pidgythe2nd refers is this:
www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do
Which was last updated 1st May.

@mum3g5b a letter from an MP is not clear guidance, only opinion I’m afraid.

As a nanny employer, I’d suggest you take a look at the gov.uk website to provide you with your ‘sufficient evidence’ that nannies can be working. No interpretation needed as they have now updated to clarify this point.

I made a single claim for two pay periods and that also worked

I work in a nursery and we are still open but have furloughed 3/4 of the staff
I don’t see why nannies can’t be furloughed

Hi Wireless, I've done it too. I applied last Saturday and received payment by Thursday, 30 April.

I made two claims for two separate pay periods - which is what I understand the guidance requires - the first for the last week of March, and the second for the whole of April. My payroll agency also provided a furlough calculator so that you can double check your calculations before you submit the claim.

It was much more straightforward than I'd anticipated and I received both payments at the same time.

I'll make the next one once I receive my nanny's next payslip, later this month.

Good luck!

Thanks very much @mum3g5b

@wirelessprinter I've successfully furloughed my nanny and was reimbursed by HMRC yesterday. We had back dated the furlough to account for time she had taken off being ill on March 26th.
You must go through HMRC directly, not through an agency.
Here's a link to the application:
www.gov.uk/guidance/claim-for-wages-through-the-coronavirus-job-retention-scheme

has anyone successfully applied for furlough for their nanny yet? i've had a look but it says you should apply as close to pay date as possible which for us isn't until end of month. wondering if you can apply at any point from now or if it needs to co-incide with a pay run.

My nanny was provided with clear guidance specifically for live-out/daily nannies from her MP, Rupa Huq - I wrote to the Cabinet Office to ensure this was correct and they have confirmed this to me via email.

The Cabinet Offices guidance is as follows:

"Issue: Nannies
Question: Should nannies of non-key workers' children be going to work?

In order to limit the spread of the coronavirus outbreak, the Government has asked parents to keep their children at home, where possible, and for childcare providers, schools and colleges to remain closed, except for those children who absolutely need to attend. All childcare providers are therefore being asked to continue to provide care only for a limited number of children - children who are vulnerable, and children whose parents are critical to the coronavirus response and cannot be safely carded for at home.

Nannies - like everyone else in the UK - must also comply with the government's advice on coronavirus, including the government's guidance on social distancing.

Good practice under the current circumstances would therefore constitute:

• Where nannies do not live in their employers' homes, that they should not travel to their employers homes for work, unless this is essential (i.e. children are vulnerable, and/or children's parents are critical to the coronavirus response, and where children cannot otherwise be safely cared for at home).

• Where nannies live in, it would be appropriate for them to be treated for social distancing purposes as members of the household of which they are part."

Attached below is another letter confirming the guidance from the Norland Nannies website - www.norland.ac.uk/norlanders/coronavirus-update

As a nanny employer, I would suggest writing the Cabinet Office yourself if you feel this isn't sufficient evidence of how we should be interpreting the Governments guidance on social distancing.

Thanks Childcarehelp, and that's good to know that it came through so quickly.

Bonkers, HMRC confirmed that individual employers will not be charged income tax on the payment. See other threads for the link to the relevant gov website.

I’ve received payment, it took 3-4 working days.

I wondered if anyone who has furloughed their nanny, and submitted a claim, has yet received payment from HMRC? If so, how long did it take to come through? Thanks