Coronavirus- can nanny still work?

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Are saying nannies should only work if both parents are key workers. Otherwise not essential.

Yes I would like to know this as well

What is everyone's thoughts on if a Nanny can still work, based on the Boris's latest announcement?

@Leanne086b I guess the nanny would choose to stay off or leave at home with the other parent (if not a lone parent)

What happens if the nanny is a parent herself? And her children are high risk?

@ChloeR81 what is your job? Are you a single parent? Apologies if you've already said.

@ChloeR81 whilst difficult, please seek legal advice.
If she is ill then you will need to pay SSP which I believe you can claim for a certain number of weeks. Then you can pay for an emergency nanny.
If you make her redundant then the job needs to be redundant so you can't then find another nanny.
I understand it is difficult but at the end of the day, she is well within her rights to not come in. If she is ill then she has to follow the government advice. If she isn't ill then she is still entitled to time off I think as she could be following social distancing. It is a situation none of us have been in before and a very tricky one.

@chloeR81
Why is she self isolating? If she is ill, or one of her household,then you need to pay statutory sick pay. I believe this is now payable from day 1 and you can claim upto two weeks back from the government.
After 2 weeks if she is still ill , you would continue with sick pay but not be able to reclaim that. But she would have to be genuinely ill and I would think you could ask for medical evidence.
Making her redundant during a period of sickness, I would get legal advice regarding that.
Hopefully she will be back after 2 weeks. Hopefully we can all only get coronavirus once.
My family have been ill this week. I'm going back after the 14 days and hope I wont catch anything from them.
However if they couldnt afford to pay me I would totally understand.
I'm sorry you are anxious, as a key worker you need childcare you can rely on. You need an honest conversation with your nanny. If she is ill I wouldnt do that just now. If she is self isolating because family are ill then maybe you could telephone and discuss this today?

Chloe - What is the reason for her self isolating? Does she have symptoms? At the moment, until we have a complete lockdown, I would still be going. I am only not doing so, because one of my charges has symptoms

I have asked not to go in to work next week. Reason being that one of the children has a new, continuous cough (In my opinion).
I was told last week that family were staying at home, to be careful. I was told a day later that all well, at school. I reluctantly agreed to come in, although I was not convinced all would be OK. I come in the following day to the child coughing.
I have vulnerable people at home, but I am now really worried about losing my job over this. Family are apparently keyworkers, although one was working at home while I was there.

I work for two different families 2 days/3 days split.

I have said that as long as they aren’t mixing with others (one parent originally said they were happy for kids to mix on street!) then I’m happy to continue to go to both jobs.
But if they ignore the social distancing then I feel they will put me in a difficult situation where I feel I can’t go to that job.

I want to continue working so I really hope they listen and we work together on this.

I do however feel if we end up in a lockdown situation then that changes the dynamics a bit and il be reluctant to continue traveling between two jobs. But will cross that dilemma if it comes to it

@ChloeR81
Why would your nanny not want to come to work?
If she refuses to come to work of course you don’t pay her.
However if you no longer require her then the job is redundant.
If she has worked for you for more than two years you pay redundancy pay. She then finds another job.

@LottieBees19 if the government says that nannies can only work for key workers then that will have to be followed. That is currently not the case though.

I’m sure there is a lot of people who would be happy to get 80% and not work. If everyone did that then we are in more trouble then Coronavirus

Where are Nanny Tax saying it might not apply to nanny employers? I can’t see it on their website? I’d like to offer the 80% if we can but don’t want to find myself paying 80% for 3 months if the government refused to refund me

Nanny nick, the worry us that Nanny Tax are saying their not sure Nanny employers are going to get the 80% help.

Yes you're right @LottieBees19 the government haven't said nannies can't work.

I hadn't thought about just offering the 80% - I suppose the only risk with that is that after all this is over, I may not have my job to go back to, so I guess it all depends on that, but I will certainly look into this as an option if it comes to it in the future.

Yes @patchworkpatty you've misunderstood.
Even in Italy during the lockdown people went out to work. We need to have some semblance of an economy for when things do get back to normal.

Cloud chaos
If the government say nannies can only work for key workers and you have to lay her off. Then you would claim 80 percent of her salary and pay that. You surely wouldn't have to make up the other 20 percent.
I'm a nanny I would just be pleased to receive that. I would be saving on travel to work.
But as a nanny I am confused, as havent seen it said officially that we can not work?
In France and other European countries people who cant work from home can still travel to work.

@SuiGeneris as long as you're paying via PAYE then the 80% should apply to you so it should be covered.

@Patchworkpatty the government have said those that can work from home should, but those that can't don't have to. Can you please send a link to show this is not their advice as your last link just confirmed this! And we are complying with this. She can't work from home! You are being totally ridiculous.

If she doesn't go out except to our house, and we don't go out there is no risk and that's going above and beyond what the government recommend as they are still saying you can see people if you're 2 metres apart or in small numbers (Boris said he's seeing his own mother on Mother's Day) but I am not.

As I've said I've not left the home for three weeks as I've been social distancing long before the government have said anything. I bet you haven't been.

The reality is that even if the government pay 80% of her salary I cannot pay that for 18 months with her not helping. I won't be able to do my job with two kids under 5. I won't be able to find the 20%. I have considered quitting my job and giving the nanny notice as we don't need my income - but both jobs would have to go.

I suggest you re-read the government advice on social distancing as you seem to think we are in lockdown and don't really understand the concept of risk.

Our contingency planning had been that DH would drive to pick up our nanny on a Monday morning, she would then stay at our place overnight until Thursday and we would drive her back Thursday night. She stays home all the time both at our place and hers. We are all from countries that have been hit earlier and hard by this virus and know how dire the situation is there so we probably understand better than most why just saying “we are all healthy, so it is ok” does not work.
However, latest guidance is stay home unless you do a critical job, so we are thinking she simply cannot come to work. Very hard for us as both kids have special needs and I am still working full days from home but cannot really see another way.
We will continue to pay our nanny as usual, obviously. Has anyone looked into whether the government scheme for workers who cannot work applies to employers of nannies?

The current guidance as you've said is that people who can work from home should do - and nannies can't.

There obviously is a degree of risk, but it's much more controllable in a private home where you can constantly wash hands, clean surfaces and you're controlling who is going in and going out.

I would be unhappy if she was getting public transport to you for both your sakes, so I would go and pick her up if she doesn't drive.