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Nanny v nursery & after school club

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whatty · 26/02/2020 04:17

Hiya. We are currently considering our childcare options for when i return to work in September. We met a great nanny this week who has availability from September, hence us trying to conclude now on the best route. In September, our children will be almost 8, 5.5 and 10 months. Our elder two both went to private day nurseries from 10 months back when they were babies.
So the potential scenarios are these:
My husband and I share drop off and pick up. We will need to drop baby first at nursery 7.30/8 depending on which nursery, and then the elder two at their schools between 8&8.30, then onto the office. In the evening, pick the elder two up from after school club (5.15-5.45), and then get to nursery to pick baby up between 6&6.30. We would be doing these journeys by bike/ bus to/ from the station depending on the weather. In the holidays, the older two would do holidays clubs (activ camp/ art camp etc) which they have previously enjoyed.
The second scenario would be to get a nanny. She would arrive at ours at 7.30 am, drop the children at school by car/ bus/ scooter, take care of baby during the day and take to play groups etc, then pick the oldest two up from school between 3.30&4.30 depending on clubs they are doing at school. My husband or I would then get home around 5.30 when the nanny would finish for the day.
In the holidays, the nanny would have all 3 children- plus her own child, and they would have days out etc.
The cost differential of these options is c£7500 extra for the nanny over a year which we could just about afford, but would mean we need to limit holidays/ luxuries.
Which option would you go with? There are obviously pros & cons for both in my mind- which is making the decision very tricky! Thanks in advance for your help. Smile

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whatty · 07/03/2020 21:43

Thanks for all your help. It has been extremely useful to have input from so many perspectives. I think we have concluded that we want to go the nanny route, but using someone without their own child. It just brings a whole different dimension to the arrangement- and with 3 kids to juggle, I think the nanny will have enough on her hands without worrying about her child too.
Thanks again

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MotherFaffer · 07/03/2020 07:24

Personally we doubd nursery and clubs more reliable than a nanny. We were let down a lot and the stress was immense.

Sunshinelollipops1 · 07/03/2020 07:16

I would say Nanny, but have you included all your costings in the £7500 extra per annum (including kitty money (this does add up) and mileage)? We have had a Nanny since my youngest was 7 months, but it is expensive, particularly when you add in the extras.

waterbottle12 · 07/03/2020 07:11

Ps payefornannies are great at the payroll stuff and cheaper than nannytax

waterbottle12 · 07/03/2020 07:11

You need a gross salary and should pay about 25% less when she brings her own child. You are the employer and you offer the salary, she doesn't dictate it. If she is trying to dictate at this point, walk away and find another nanny. She knows well that NWOC gets less than without own child.

Blondeshavemorefun · 05/03/2020 14:31

def discuss gross not nett

and tbh 12nett is a good wage to be bringing her own child, tho not all the time and about £16,48 gross

you are over paying - offer 15 gross and you will save yourself £4.5k a year

this nanny will cost you £48 647 a year, just over £4k a month and £936 a week with tax ni pension employers ni

is this the figure you got

i would offer lower

BecauseReasons · 03/03/2020 22:14

Also, if the nanny is saving on the cost of child-care that should be taken into consideration IMO. Clearly your own kids will get less attention when she's also got her own to sort out- her work will be of a lower quality due to messing with the ratios- so I'd expect that to be reflected in her rates. Have you met with any other nannies?

BecauseReasons · 03/03/2020 22:11

Agree, gross not net! Ours is on £10/hour gross but we're much further up North than you.

Hugglespuffed · 03/03/2020 22:04

Please agree a gross figure and not net!

Sorry I'm not meaning to be negative, if you want to pay her the same when she has her child then that is lovely but definitely agree a gross rate.
I don't know why nannies still work in gross.

dinkyprawn · 03/03/2020 22:01

I'm not sure you'll find many nurseries in SW London for £85 per day... I'm a nanny and also live/work in SW London - most nurseries around here are £110-125 per day depending on the amount of days per week the child goes.

That being said £12 net bringing own child during the school holidays is a pretty good salary and I'd be inclined to try and negotiate to maybe £11 net all year round to account for this or £10 net in the holidays.

whatty · 03/03/2020 21:33

Really @hugglespuffed? That's interesting re: paying her less when she has her own child. When I asked a question along those lines re: her holiday rate, she said she has always just had one rate regardless of whether she has her child with her.

She has said she needs £12net per hour- and we'd need her for 10 hours a day. I think nursery is around £85 a day where we are (south west London)- so the nanny would definitely be considerably more expensive once you take into account her tax etc.

Thanks for sharing your experience.

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Hugglespuffed · 03/03/2020 19:18

I'm surprised by the nanny costing so much more (I am one)
But nurseries are expensive around here!
You should pay less when she brings her child too. Maybe £2 less an hour.

Brown76 · 27/02/2020 23:20

Definitely the nanny even if it's only for a year or two, you could do clubs at the weekend and your youngest could go to nursery when they are a bit bigger.

GU24Mum · 27/02/2020 22:47

It sounds like a nanny might be good at least initially but with three of yours I'd try to find a nanny without her own children.

BecauseReasons · 27/02/2020 00:24

10 month old doesn't need forest school.

Agree totally. Doesn't need swimming either really, mine only did it every Saturday morning with us at that age.

SMaCM · 26/02/2020 15:23

The nanny would be better for everyone if you can afford it. Your baby will still get lots of socialisation at toddler groups and can still go swimming and play in the forest. Another (probably cheaper) alternative is a childminder who goes to the same school and can look after the baby during the day with other children. This would be at her house, so would (probably) involve dropping them all off in the morning and picking up in the evening.

jannier · 26/02/2020 13:49

The third option is to use a childminder....registered inspected and working to the same legal standards as nursery or reception class. Who could give everyone breakfast take to school care for the youngest collect from school give an evening meal and provide excellent care and education to your lo.

Embracelife · 26/02/2020 11:29

Get the nanny. She can also cover mild illness days where older dc need to stay home.
Also you can still Send DC few days to holiday club

hopefulhalf · 26/02/2020 07:40

10 month old doesn't need forest school. Nanny can and should them swimming.

TeddyIsaHe · 26/02/2020 07:38

@ whatty the kids can always do holiday clubs when the nanny takes her holiday. And you can ask her to include forest school type learnings into her day-to-day caring of your baby. I don’t see a downside tbh.

averythinline · 26/02/2020 07:36

If you can afford it the nanny.... the flexibility and conveniance would win for me.... re activity weeks.... think about the long holidays - maybe pick1 per child and do that when the nanny is on holiday -
your family life will be so much better if you come home to kids rested/fed rather than shuttleing from pillar to post...then cooking/home working/bed.. .. the kids will have more playtime and downtime!

sawyersfishbiscuits · 26/02/2020 07:30

Nanny option definitely. Don't forget that the nanny will also give your children the opportunity to go to and also have play dates after school so they'll be able to catch up with friends that way.
Also budget for Nanny taking your youngest to baby groups etc and trips out in the holidays.

Headfull · 26/02/2020 07:28

Nanny every time. I wish it had been an option for us. I’ve had to go backwards in my career (don’t think I can call it that any more). You are both going to be more able to get pay rises/ new jobs etc in the future plus be far less stressed.

Think if sick days. Kids being tired and needing downtime. There is no reason why the nanny can’t drop kids off for play dates/ arrange some with her.

DroppedBoxxedRuth · 26/02/2020 07:27

Agree with LittleBearPad holidays should be down time for DC.

If you can afford it I'd go nanny route.

ilovewinterpansies · 26/02/2020 07:25

Ps don't underestimate the value of kids being able to stay at home after long school days. Plenty of time for clubs on your day off and on weekends. My kids love being able to come home and chill!

And they both do one after school club a week on the same day which means a later pickup time for both (my nanny also has her own child so I'm mindful not to ask for lots of ferrying around)

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