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myexisanasshole · 27/02/2019 19:41

So, my ex has got it in his head that we are now sharing the children 50/50 even though I have not agreed to any such arrangement or received any court summons/parenting order/solicitor letter. Safe to say this is not going to be happening and I am keeping the children until the issue is sorted. However I have found out today that he has applied for the free 30 hours of childcare with my childminder and wants my son to go even when he is supposed to be with me (for his proposed 50/50 split). What I can't find out is if this is allowed? I have read that the person applying has to have the children living with them the majority of the time but with 50/50 how do they decide that? Would he be eligible? Obviously I will be fighting his proposal as it's not sustainable for the children as he works full time, can't take our eldest to swimming/dance/choir, eldest is terrified of going to his plus a while host of other issues. So if anyone knows about the 30 hours rules please post below! 😁

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RosieEffect · 09/03/2019 08:10

That's is completely unfair and disgusting behaviour. I don't know anything about these situations but get yourself a solicitor ASAP and I'm sure it will be reversed if there is no proof. Thanks

myexisanasshole · 09/03/2019 05:28

How can a judge grant an emergency order without checking what he has said is true? He has completely lied about most of it or it is massively exaggerated, I just don't understand, he said the children were at risk of harm!! I'm so upset, I don't want to go to court and have my life dragged up and poked into. This just isn't fair 😢

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myexisanasshole · 09/03/2019 03:29

I don't understand what's happened, he got a c100 and a letter from the court to say he can take them and I can't see them. I don't get how he's done it, everything I've read says you have to do mediation first and then actually go to a hearing not just take them from their mother. He's done it to force me into 50/50, my poor babies won't understand and I promised my daughter he wouldn't take them. I'm seeing my solicitor Monday but I don't think much can be done. My heart is breaking.

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RosieEffect · 09/03/2019 03:18

I'm so sorry OP. Did he get 50/50 or full custody? How did it happen so quickly? Can you get to a solicitor ASAP?

myexisanasshole · 09/03/2019 02:56

Well, now it's irrelevant as he got a court order and took my babies away. I don't understand how he did it without going to court or mediation first. I'm utterly broken, an abusive man gets to have my children, the children he never wanted. How is this fair? He made up a complete load of lies and twisted the truth to suit him. I don't like how I am going to carry on 😢

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anniehm · 07/03/2019 17:07

Unless both parents are working or he was the only parent with parental responsibility you are not entitled to 30, just the standard 15. Once your youngest is of that age it is normal to take up the offer of 15 hours.

myexisanasshole · 07/03/2019 16:46

Thankyou winks, that's what I was trying to say!

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MaderiaCycle · 07/03/2019 16:46

The 30 hours isn’t really 30 hours a week it’s 1140 a year so really about 22 a week if you use it all year around. Could you use 22 hours a week? A single parents can apply if they are working. So the Dad can apply - assuming he’s working but Mum couldn’t apply if she’s not. But the main thing is still the kids living with the parent who applies so no Dad couldn’t apply

WinkysTeatowel · 07/03/2019 16:31

Or here can't add screenshot for some reason

WinkysTeatowel · 07/03/2019 16:29

Here is the section of the gov.uk website stating child must live with you.

WinkysTeatowel · 07/03/2019 16:28

You cannot apply for 30 hours unless you are both working. So if you are not working your child is not entitled to the 30 hours.

myexisanasshole · 07/03/2019 16:14

Because my question was about 30hrs childcare, nothing else?! Telling me to grow up- unnecessary, calling me a liar and asking for my source of information about the 30hrs entitlement- bitchy! This wasn't about opinions, I wanted facts but as usual people have run away with it and decided to make judgements on me?! Not sure why, I'm trying to do what best for my children and that's all.

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itsaboojum · 07/03/2019 14:04

What on Earth makes you think people are being "rude", "getting at" you, or "have issues". Aside from the fact that people are allowed an opinion on a public message board, we’re taking the time to share views in an effort to help.

It’s unfortunate that you choose to take offence and give insult to anyone who appears to disagree with you in the slightest.

You don’t want to hear this, but the fact is Georgie is absolutely right. Your childminder has been messed about, and you need to face up to things in a much more adult manner.

Like many parents in your position, you’re in danger of digging yourself into a hole, and the last thing you need is to be egged on by agreeable sycophants encouraging you to keep on digging.

myexisanasshole · 07/03/2019 11:23

Because i don't want my so in full time childcare while I'm sat at home perfectly capable of looking after him myself! He is fine to do the 15 hours bit my ex has TOLD me that he wants 50/50 after 3 years of not giving a shit! I don't think it's right to put a 3yo in 40+ hours of childcare? That's not him parenting? He then puts him to bed at 6? How is that right? And why should he do the 30 hours the weeks I have him when I don't work? If we both worked then fine but thats not the situation. This is all about money to him, I don't believe it what's best for my children, my daughter does not want to go, he doesn't play with them, he shouts at my daughter and locks her in her room, the house is unsafe and so on. How is that what's best for my children? Yet again I'm left wondering why I bother posting as there is always someone out there dying to make a dig!

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GeorgieTheGorgeousGoat · 07/03/2019 11:13

If got to admit, I don’t particularly get your problem with your child receiving their funding like most children in the country. It’s helping you out, reducing your childcare fees, no?

myexisanasshole · 07/03/2019 11:09

And they have lived with me for 3 years, social services have said I'm resident parent, as have my solicitors. All their mail comes here, I am the main parent on school forms, doctors, dentist so I can prove it quite easily.

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myexisanasshole · 07/03/2019 11:07

I'm sorry but your picking at straws, normally lives with you is the same as lives with you the majority of the time? Not sure why you are being so standoffish and rude. All I asked was if he could claim them, I now know he can't and has withdrawn the claim. I'm not sure why you are getting at me but I suppose everyone has their issues🤷‍♀️

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itsaboojum · 07/03/2019 10:49

Thanks for the information.

I’m going to take a logical guess here. In the absence of a formal residency arrangement, it may be difficult to demonstrate precisely what the normal living arrangements are or are not. IIUC, you are keeping the children with you, but you’d ex has not necessarily agreed to this. The application process might not consider that to be a normal or long term position.

Also worth noting that "normally lives with you" is not the same thing as "living with them the majority of the time" as per your original post.

myexisanasshole · 07/03/2019 08:21

It says you are not eligible if the child doesn't normally live with you. I've tried to post a screen shot but it won't let me.

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myexisanasshole · 07/03/2019 08:17

I read it on the gov.uk website.

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itsaboojum · 07/03/2019 07:13

The child has to live with you to claim the hours so he hasn’t claimed correctly.

I appreciate you say you’ve "read this somewhere". Where? It will help enormously if you would point us to the official source.

I have come across this idea before, but never in any official source. It is not mentioned in the key DfE document which lays out funding rules, 'Early Years Entitlement: Operational Guidance, June 2018'. Nor does it feature in the user agreements, provider agreement, claim forms, etc of any of thefour local authorities I’ve dealt with.

I suspect this is one of the many rumours that arose in the information vacuum when the government first touted the 30 hour scheme: they hadn’t the first idea how it would be run or paid for.

myexisanasshole · 06/03/2019 17:02

How am I mucking her about? Wasn't really my question either. I have done nothing to her but thanks for you lovely input. Growing up? Not really sure how I'm being immature when I left an abusive marriage, he hasn't given a shit for 3 years and now he is changing his mind but hey!

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GeorgieTheGorgeousGoat · 06/03/2019 13:44

I think you’re both being unfair to your childminder, mucking her about like this. Sort yourselves out and grow up.

myexisanasshole · 06/03/2019 09:16

The child has to live with you to claim the hours so he hasn't claimed correctly. He has now informed the childminder not to claim the hours and that the situation will take months to sort out- presumably rather than have an adult conversation with me he is going down the court route. As for putting the childminder in the middle, I have not done this, he has and so has she. I have not asked her to disclose information to me, she does this off her own back! I'm all for sorting this out amicably but this is not something he can do and after the threatening email I received I am scared of him, again. I assumed after leaving an abusive marriage, 3 years later and with him having an new gf I wouldnt have to deal with his manipulation and scare tactics, I was wrong.

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itsaboojum · 06/03/2019 07:33

It would appear you ex has acted entirely within the rules for claiming funded childcare. He has evidently been able to register with the government website and obtain the 30 hours code number.

I’ve seen various local authority claim forms and user agreements: all those I’ve seen require only one parent to provide details and instruct the childcare provider. The general principle is that the funding 'belongs' to the child, and assumes the parents will jointly and severally make responsible decisions on the child’s behalf as to how it is used. The system does not make provision for resolving disputes between parents.

Please remember also, the childminder is providing a childcare/education service, and she is not responsible for resolving your interpersonal conflicts either. Her first duty is towards the child, not to take sides between parents. She is legally required to treat both parents equally and respect their individual rights and interests. This may seem obvious, and I’m not suggesting you’d take advantage. But it is extremely common for warring parents to try to get the childminder on their side; IME this almost always involves the mum's side.

It appears your ex now has a formal arrangement in place with the childminder.

The three of you need to sit down together and make whatever adjustments you can all agree. In a sense, you don’t have to go along with what your ex has arranged. You don’t have to take the child at the arranged times, and you’re within your rights to collect any time.

But this approach is almost certain to have consequences. In my area, a childminder is required to obtain evidence of absences and report poor attendance within afunding arrangement for investigation by the Children’s Social Care Services. The funding department would refuse to pay for the absences, so the childminder is likely to charge them back to you. She has a general responsibility to ensure funded places (which are in short supply) are used properly, so there’s some chance you’d lose the funded place. You can’t rule out losing the childcare place altogether, if the whole thing becomes too disruptive for the childminder and/or other families. Again, parents in conflict are frequently blind to the impact they’re having on people around them, so do have a thought and proceed with caution.

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