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Child persistently bitten

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nickname7890 · 01/11/2018 19:03

Hello

My daughter is 20 moths old. For last 8 weeks she has been bitten 6 times by the same child at the childminder. Twice the skin has been broken. The childminder doesn't even tell us it's happened, and we are left to discover it when my daughter is in the bath.
We have complained And the childminder blames my daughter saying oh that time she took the toy off the biter (she won't tell me who it is but I think it's another girl a bit older) or she said oh your daughter needs to learn to share as that's why she was bitten

When we complained last time she childminder then complained back about my daughter saying she pulled hair and they had to separate her and put her in a room on her own for thirty minutes ( I was shocked - who does that to a child for pushing ?!). My daughter is very energetic but in all play dates or when we go to play centres I have never seen her be troublesome but I'm not in denial about what any child can do.

The issue is - what can they do? I understand kids bite. But seriously there must be something-be vigilant when they are in same room, don't put them next to each other, ensure they speak to the other child's parents, look into counselling the biter? Is there anything else we can do?

we are expecting number 2 in a matter of weeks and I am reluctant to change my daughters childcare so close to a massive change. She smiles when we go in and doesn't cry when I pick her up so I've never seen her being unhappy but what sort of it parent would I be to keep sending her back again and again?

Please advise- I feel they aren't taking it seriously and just blaming my daughter when I do complain. Pushing is one thing- breaking the skin is another

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Slimtimeagain · 02/11/2018 13:54

So many things wrong with this.

Firstly I'd like to address the poster who said that their child had never bitten nor been bitten before therefore it isn't inevitable. I agree. It isn't inevitable. But children DO bite. Not all, not even most. But some do bite. It is very hard as a parent and childcarer to have a biter.

Next, the victim blaming is wrong. Your child was bitten 6 times. Once or twice I can understand, you can't stop it always as it happens so fast.. But 6 times is way too much.

The next thing, locking your 20 month old in a room for 30 mins is absolutely shocking. I 100% would not trust her after this. Your child is not even at talking properly stage yet. I am gobsmacked that she even admitted this to you and I'd be seriously worried about what else she may be hiding from you.

Your child may well he displaying challenging behaviour, parents are often blind to their children's behaviour because they don't want to think of their child misbehaving, but it wouldn't be a reflection on the parent. Children aren't built to be well behaved from day 1. They learn these skills. So it's totally ok for children to display challenging behaviours. It is how we deal with these situations. For example, being very open with everyone who looks after the child to make sure disciplining is similar in all settings.
Everyone has different opinions on the naughty step/ corner. I personally don't agree with it as I don't believe it actually addresses the behaviour. Children are clever little things and love learning, they learn best from us talking with them rather than shouting.

Anyway, I'm going on a bit of a tangent now, sorry!

If you can afford it, I'd definitely recommend a nanny, maybe a younger one doing a degree or something. I had my first nanny job as a student at university and it was great and I was a lot cheaper than more experienced nannies. Since you're going to be around this may be am option.

Good luck!

accidentalgenious · 02/11/2018 13:52

And as for a 20 month old showing challenging behaviour?? 
I'd be concerned if a 20 month old that I looked after didn't push boundaries, they are little humans learning their own independence. That's the exact milestones she should be hitting (even though the terrible twos can be challenging )
How long has she been childminding for OP? Does she have children of her own? She really doesn't sound very experienced.

accidentalgenious · 02/11/2018 13:44

Your childminder is being incredibly unprofessional, not only are you not being told about these instances or given any kind of incident report to sign, she left your child in a time out in another room for 30 minutes!!
OP, I am a childminder and everything you wrote in your first post about the care your child receives (or doesn't) from your childcare provider is worrying to say the least.
I know that it's impossible to have 100% attention on the child at all times, especially if she has 3 under 5, has nappies to do and lunches to make etc but, after the first time you're chid was bitten the children doing the biting would be watched like hawks. You should have at least been told at pick up and if it had broken the skin you should have had a phone call. They should also be documented somewhere.
If I were you I'd be looking for alternative childcare. If she was to have Ofsted any time soon I'm sure they would have a field day with her lack of paperwork.

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HauntedPencil · 02/11/2018 12:43

I agree, moving her might be less stressful for you over the coming months

HSMMaCM · 02/11/2018 10:54

Please be assured that there are lovely CMs out there and your daughter might be better off with one of them, even with the new baby etc.

PrincessScarlett · 02/11/2018 10:52

Your CM sounds like she doesn't like your child very much. I would find a new CM immediately. Unsupervised solitary confinement for 30 mins for a 20 month old is completely unacceptable. I would consider reporting to Ofsted for this alone.

It does sound like the CM cannot handle the number of children she has and/or is not supervising them properly.

HSMMaCM · 02/11/2018 10:03

I've cared for children who bite. They are VERY fast. I've filled in a form each time, except once where a child was bitten on the back and I hadn't seen it. She cried, but I couldn't see why. I never blamed the victim. Even if they had pulled hair, snatched a toy, or whatever, they don't deserve to be bitten and if the CM saw them doing one of these things, they should know what would happen next and step in to prevent it. I hope the biters parents are also being informed, even though there's not much they can do about it.

If she has 2 biters and a difficult child, then I suggest the children she cares for are either bored or inadequately supervised.

nickname7890 · 02/11/2018 04:06

yes. my greatest concern is that 1. they didnt even notice 2. they say my daughter is displaying challenging behaviour - how do weknow this isnt when she is bitten? 3. isnt 21 months far too young for "Disiciplining" and "time out"? 4. I understand children bite, but thi shas been frequent recurrent biting. surely there needs to be a plan going forward, that does not involve disciplining my "challenging" 21 month old (isnt this known for being a challenging time?)

neither of us can take time off as we have it saved and booked for after the baby comes, to support our daughter through that time.

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Deadringer · 01/11/2018 23:54

Change childminders. Bites can be very difficult to prevent as they happen so quickly, but not telling you about it and even blaming the victim is disgraceful. I used to mind two little girls, on about 4 occasions one bit the other one, it happened so suddenly I couldn't prevent it. One of the times I was actually sitting between them and next thing she leaned over and bit the other child with no provocation. It was so, so stressful. Difficult as it was I informed the parents each time. Time out is not appropriate at 20 months either. I think your childminder doesn't have a clue and I would be replacing her asap.

mymadworld · 01/11/2018 23:43

I currently look after a biter and know I cannot let her out of my sight around the other children. Unfortunately the first time it happened I wasn't aware of the issue (parents take note - ALWAYS tell your childminder!) and filled in an accident form and informed both parents.
Yes it's hard work hovering over a playing child but I know if another child so much as takes a toy she wants she'll react with a bite so have no choice until I'm confident she's past that phase.

I would be having stern words and removing my child in your shoes.

HauntedPencil · 01/11/2018 21:52

I would visit a few places and see what you think, to compare.

It's awful timing but the CM does sound bad tbh.

If you are taking her back Monday I'd make your feelings on the time out very clear.

Realistically she might not be able to keep the child away from your DD in a home setting but if the other child is biting a lot I'd ask what she's doing to monitor them. She needs to watch them constantly it's what I had to do with the biter!

It's often a short phase that quite a few children go through eg my child had 3 bites in 3 weeks then nothing for months.

I don't like the way she is speaking about your child having provoked it, the punishments etc. You've said she isn't particularly difficult at home. Maybe it's just not a good fit for her.

Personally I know it's so stressful but I'd look around at other providers and think about moving her.

Orlande · 01/11/2018 21:36

Realistically you can't send her back to a childminder where she is shut in a room for 30 minutes and bitten repeatedly though. Can your dh take holiday?
If you don't know yet that the new baby will have any issues maybe give yourself a few weeks break before you jump into new childcare arrangements.

nickname7890 · 01/11/2018 21:22

sorry im not trying to say no to all suggesitons - just trying to show that i have considered theese options but its not an easy solution.
i jsut dont know what to do im very teary about this

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nickname7890 · 01/11/2018 21:21

the issue is

  1. i cant start maternity leave now as I have to do a handover at work and i alos need another pay cheque to save money so that i can take maternity leave
  2. my daughter had terrible allergies and reflux when born, i got PND and she screamed for 12 hours straight a day until she had adequate care and medicine for her severe allergies, and had to go on a chicken liver diet - extreme I know, but htis was what was recommneded. This is a hereditary condition and I have been warned this next baby may have the same. To have my daughter at home would be very difficult for my daughter, as she would feel so neglected. i need some sort of support to help with her. i just dont know what. im googling childminders - but another childminder, is that a good idea for her? or a nursery? or a "cheap" nanny for 9-4 or something, that can look after her in ths house?
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Orlande · 01/11/2018 21:17

I would remove her immediately and start my maternity leave now.

nickname7890 · 01/11/2018 21:08

thank you.
yes - her text response said that my daughter is not "responding to disciplien or time out"
the issue is that we paid a 1 month deposit.
and i am just going on maternit leave wiht no pay, so i am going to be paying DOUBLE for a month/ losing a subbstantial amount of money if I pull her out immediately, although of COURSE i would do that if its for my childs wellbeing. just to top it off, just had an enormous row with OH as he just said - lets see what they say when we meet the childminder on monday - and want s to go watch TV and not talk about / researh options. im shattered, 36 weeks pregnant working full time and not so worried about my daughter i cant relax. and i dont know where to start in finding alternatives.

when i meet them Monday - shall i ask them to separate my daughter from the other child?
she said she didn tnotice the bite - that is so terrifying as i worry my daughter cried, they thought she was the issue (but it was because she was bitten) and then they "disciplined" my daughter instead by giving her "time out".
she can hardly say two words strung together, let alone undrestand the rationale behind time out

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Orlande · 01/11/2018 21:04

I'd remove my child and report to Ofsted.

StressedToTheMaxx · 01/11/2018 21:01

She put your child in a room themselves for 30 minutes Shock
Mine would not be back. That is neglect.

MemoryOfSleep · 01/11/2018 20:57

I'd say a thirty minute time out for a twenty month old is tantamount to child abuse (emotional abuse, neglect). I'd report her to ofsted, personally.

Failingat40 · 01/11/2018 20:31

She sounds completely unprofessional and is clearly not supervising the children otherwise she'd be able to distract and avoid biting from happening.

She is obligated by Ofsted to record any incidents and accidents which occur to any children whilst in her care. She should be discussing these with you on collection and having you sign the incident reports.

Are children just being left to free play without any guidance? It's basic safeguarding failure.

And no way should a 20 month old toddler be given time out full stop. I bet if you were a fly on the wall in her house you'd be horrified.

Take dd out immediately, don't worry about paying notice as she's invalidated her own contract by breaching safeguarding guidelines.

Phone your local childminding development officer or Ofsted and ask for details of any newly registered childminders. They're more likely to have spaces and be aware of recent guidelines.

HauntedPencil · 01/11/2018 20:30

I've been both sides of this having had a biter and a bitee

For both both things I was given a report to say my child had bitten or been bitten.

I would expect for the setting to be very vigilant with a biting child, look out for triggers and monitor them closely to try and head it off as much as possible.

Saying that it does happen and I'd want to be told about it.

Not telling you, and blaming her for it and sitting her in a room for 30 mins seems really crap to me.

I wouldn't move as she's been bitten, but I would be thinking about it for those reasons above.

ShalomJackie · 01/11/2018 20:25

Definitely time for a new childminder.

FekkoThePenguin · 01/11/2018 20:18

She can't manage children them can she. How many is she looking after at the same time?

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