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Going rate for occasional minding for grandparents?

40 replies

Iwant2befree · 26/10/2018 02:17

Excuse the long post giving some context.

My PIL occasionally mind their 1 grandchild. Both are retired , MIL lives for grandchild and often says it’s what makes her life complete and gets her out of bed.

DH and I in the past have always thanked PIl for any evenings out in way of gifts / treats / meals out/ paid for family hotel stays/ small tokens etc.

FIL is very suppressing , in general doesn’t want to do anything , go anywhere or ever spend any money (even for a coffee for example while at a park) MIL is opposite has a limited friend circle loves to meet people and be out and about with grandchild. So we would often include her in any events we go to and ensure we treat her to food/ drinks etc that’s FIL would normally make a big deal over.

Both my parents have passed and I have no other family. My DD is in Creche full time. We noticed that although adored by MIL she rarely offered to help for a baby sitting night and we would get a local sitter for a few hours very occasionally when needed. DH approaches MIL who explains that FIL wants to take payment for any baby sitting as it’s a service and services should be paid for.

While I don’t have any objection to paying for 2-3 hours sitting I’m now starting to feel like interactions are transactional.

We pay the going rate of our usual baby sitter. MIL recently refused to be paid for an overnight saying she enjoyed the time immensely and felt to guilty, DH tried several times and she refused to accept. we continue to treat whenever possible , however FIL (who is very passive and would never say anything outright) told DH after this I’m a round about way that all money should be put in an envelope and leave it to ensure MIL does take it. I since took the money for the overnight to FIL and said we want to straighten up the money and he accepted it although MIl was clearly mortified.

I now feel like I’m unsure where the line is..... if we visit them which we often do and I nip to the shop for 20 mins do I pay ? If so how much? MIL won’t discuss money , we end up hiding it in her bag or somewhere. Most recently DH birthday and I arranged for her to sit for about 4 hours, she decided to sleep over so this was then classed as an “overnight” and we paid €50. I sense she doesn’t want the cash in this way but FIL who is obsessed with money does. It’s so sad to see her genuinely with a new lease of life when grandchild is there , but the whole envelope and counting out every hour feels a little cold.

We would never take advantage of her, I feel like we have always gone way above with gifts and paying for things that they wouldn’t pay for themselves or treat themselves too ..... now I sense FIL just sees us as a financial transaction (although he loves grandchild and they have so much fun together)

Friends have advised to go back and use local sitter so lines are clear but this would break MIL heart as she enjoys the few hours so much.

I’m not sure this even makes sense, I suppose I’d just love to hear how others pay grandparents for an odd night out?

Just to be clear I don’t have an issue with giving them money we would be paying a baby sitter - it’s the how much and how often? Where do you draw the line? As I don’t have parents I don’t have anything to compare too in terms of what’s normal or not. All advice appreciated.

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ThatWouldBeNO · 26/10/2018 03:54

I have never heard of grandparents being paid for the "service" of babysitting. As PP has stated, full time childcare is different to occasional/regular babysitting of a few hours every so often.

I'm not sure why I get this impression, but reading the OP, I am concerned that FIL is reducing MILs access to their money by the amount he feels she should "earn" by providing the babysitting.

Your DH needs to have a serious discussion with both his parents and say that a babysitter (not MIL) is going to be used for all babysitting. MIL will continue to be invited to days out/etc as Grandmother, not babysitter. If they wish to have grandchild visit or stay overnight, it will not be a paid babysitting context.

SaltySeaBird · 26/10/2018 03:08

£7/hour. Not a Grandparent but other close family member. I know what you mean about it all feeling very transactional.

notangelinajolie · 26/10/2018 03:06

FIL is way out of order. Grandparents don't take money to look after Grandkids - I'm shocked! His son needs to speak to him about this.

MrWolfknowsthetime · 26/10/2018 02:59

I would use an alternative sitter for nights out, and avoid telling MIL if possible. And arrange lots of time for MIL to be with DC without it actually being “baby sitting”.

It might be a bit of a cop out, but I don’t think anything else would be worth the aggro and falling out if MIL is genuinely nice and loves being with DC.

AloeVeraDuckworth · 26/10/2018 02:59

I always paid my Mum for minding the kids so I could work but never for an evening out, I would treat her for doing that.

moredoll · 26/10/2018 02:54

We make sure favourite foods are in the fridge, recommend films we've enjoyed on Netflix and pay for a taxi home. But that's it. No complaints ever.

Takemetovegas · 26/10/2018 02:50

Ugh!

If I've read this right it's the MIL who does the babysitting and the FIL who gets paid? 

He's a horrible prick.

beachgoddess · 26/10/2018 02:47

Why not come to an agreement just between yourselves and MIL? If it's her time and her 'providing the service' then it's nothing to do with FIL if she doesn't want to get paid.

What an awful situation for her. He sounds like a controlling, financially abusive dick.

Pixiedust2017 · 26/10/2018 02:46

I think its very strange FIL wants/expects payment for his wife babysitting. From what you have said its not even him doing the babysitting. If MIL is happy to do it for free why should you be paying? Is FIL your DHs father? If my MIL started asking for money to babysit Id hire an actual sitter personally. Isnt it supposed to be time they can bond with the children? I suppose if they werr actually short on money it would be another matter bit it doesn't sound like they are. It sounds like MIL is trapped in a very financially abusive relationship.

NarcolepticOuchMouse · 26/10/2018 02:46

You're FIL is batshit crazy. Just show him this thread. He's completely out of order and probably the most miserable human I've heard of in a long while.

7salmonswimming · 26/10/2018 02:43

Your poor MIL. She must feel so awful with her DH acting this way. How awful for your DC to one day know their DGF took money off you to watch them 😢

Tbh, I’d just have MIL over for family visits, not to babysit. How often does she babysit for money?

Personally, I wouldn’t be able to handle it. I’d get DH to speak to his father.

ferrier · 26/10/2018 02:42

Absolutely not normal to pay grandparents for babysitting. They are usually only to happy to spend time with their GC. Just have a chat with MIL. See if she can cope with 'going it alone'. Ie saying to FIL well it's me that's doing the babysitting on this occasion and I don't want to be paid for it. Then FIL can go out if he really can't bear to be in the same house while MIL is babysitting free of charge .

Lulubelle15 · 26/10/2018 02:40

I've got to say I've never heard of anyone paying grandparents for babysitting!

Copperbonnet · 26/10/2018 02:32

No one pays grandparents for babysitting for nights out. No one.

Some people pay childminder type rates to Grandmothers who do full
time care for little ones but this is usually because the grandmother in question has given up another job in order to be able to do this.

My parents and PILs would be furious at the thought that we should pay them.

In your shoes I’d pay a baby sitter and see PILs in a family situation not a commercial one.

JosellaPlayton · 26/10/2018 02:31

What?! It’s not normal to pay grandparents for occasionally babysitting, although a token thank you is a nice thought. Tell MIL that she’s welcome to still babysit her grandchild, but that you won’t be paying FIL. Up to them to decide if they still want have him. Give them first refusal but if they won’t do it without payment then I’d hire the sitter instead.