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Travelling with a Nanny

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NannyClaire · 10/05/2007 17:41

Hi, I'm a newly employed nanny to three children who are French but live in London.

Basically, we discussed me travelling with them but not the terms, and now things are getting a little strange.

They seem to view me accompanying them as a treat for me, whereas I am happy to travel for work, and over the moon to go to such a lovely place as their holiday home, I think they should recognise that it is work for me and I'm away from my own partner. They do not think it's fair to pay extra for me to travel with them and have offered 50 hours per week when I will be there 24/7.

They also consider it more appropriate for the children to entertain themselves on holiday, and for me to take on more of a cleaning / housekeeping role. I see this as more of an au pair role, and while I'm happy to help out I do think I am being asked to change my role and not get any recognition for it.

I am not a very experienced nanny - I have some experience with children during my life, a Level 2 Certificate and worked in schools during the training year, but this is my first post with a family. However, I feel I'm not being treated as a professional adult here - I'm inexperienced, but still a "grown up". I am very willing to be flexible about cleaning duties, and I don't feel as though we are able to communicate very easily. I have agreed to do the extra laundry duties and so on - but feel as though asking for a day off would be stepping out of line!

Any thoughts?

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NannyClaire · 15/05/2007 22:16

Ha, I suggest Friday then..... unless everyone's babysitting. Will post up a new thread......

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ScottishThistle · 14/05/2007 21:40

Feel free to contact me by email, ad is niksmith @ hotmail dot com...I'm always open to suggestion of a few drinks!

NannyClaire · 14/05/2007 21:35

Aaah well perhaps we should organise a nanny social one eve instead!

brother in law runs a pub off ken high st, get my friends and family discount!! haha

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ScottishThistle · 14/05/2007 21:31

I was talking to nannyj re being my old Employers!

ScottishThistle · 14/05/2007 21:30

My charge does nursery 5 mornings a week so I'm only around afternoons & during nursery holidays.

NannyClaire · 14/05/2007 21:27

I tend to go to Holland Park. Maybe we should meet up on Friday morning?
I could probably take him up to Ken Gardens if the weather is nice...

I doubt they're your old exmployers, the last nanny was with the 7 years (and oh she was SO wonderful.... +sigh+)

There's a good play group on Fri mornings as well in Notting Hill but he's just started "proper" nursery 3 mornings a week.

I didn't speak to her yet as she was out all day and we just caught each other at the end of the day. I am going to settle back in this week as I had a bit of time off sick last week, perfect timing

I'm pretty happy with the list, and I think things will be OK.

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ScottishThistle · 14/05/2007 11:16

For sure, as long as you're not working for one of my Ex-Employers!

We can regularly be found in Kensington Gardens on sunny days!

nannyj · 14/05/2007 11:13

I'm in Kensington . We should meet up.

ScottishThistle · 14/05/2007 10:37

Queen's Park, so yes pretty close!

Have you managed to talk to your Boss?

NannyClaire · 12/05/2007 09:00

I live in Shepherd's Bush you close?

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ScottishThistle · 12/05/2007 06:50

NannyClaire where in London are you based?

ScottishThistle · 12/05/2007 06:46

Chocolateface I think you'll find most nannies do know how much tax is being paid by their Employers...We receive wage slips too you know!

ScottishThistle · 12/05/2007 06:42

Just as well I don't do babysitting then eh!

How would you go about declaring babysitting money?...Would you have to be self-employed?

Judy1234 · 11/05/2007 21:58

I'm telling the law. I'm not saying what most people do. Loads of people work for cash from plumbers to builders. You can just never tell if you';ll be picked on. My poor sister who always declared her employed and self employed earnings then got a random tax inspection - all was just about okay but all her NHS colleagues who didn't declare an extra penny weren't investigated. They just jailed a barrister who paid no tax for 7 years and owed over £1m. Plenty of benefit fraudsters end up in court too.

Remember tax inspectors may well be mumsnetters and you can be tracked back via your IP address.

ScottishThistle · 11/05/2007 21:31

Xenia, are you serious?

I don't know any Nannies who declare babysitting money, how on earth would they be able to prove you were doing it for money???

ChocolateFace · 11/05/2007 17:17

Inreality, though, most nannies have regular, taxed emplyment,ithe theirwages paid into a bank account, and then earn a few extra pounds for babysitting for another family, paid in cash and spent before it ever sees a bank account. Hands up anyone who declares every penny made on ebay, etc.

Judy1234 · 11/05/2007 17:04

Yes, but she has regular hours as a nanny. However remember all income is taxed in the UK - I can't believe people don't relaise that. You make profits from Ebay - they are taxed; you do weekends at car boot sales- that's taxable. You teach piano in your spare time - that's taxed. There is no special category for casual income - you have to put it with your building society interest on your tax return and then you get your tax assessment for it.

Lots of people in the UK have a job as an employee and are taxed at source and then make other income from self employment which they declare and are taxed on. if they don't ultimately they can be put into prison. It's a crime to evade tax.

NKF · 11/05/2007 17:02

Regularity of hours and conditions I mean.

NKF · 11/05/2007 17:02

I thought some level of regularity was required before you became an employer.

Judy1234 · 11/05/2007 16:54

Sorry to worry everyone but even if you are paying tax as an employee you still have to declare and pay tax on babysitting money.

ChocolateFace · 11/05/2007 16:35

I am no tax expert, but I have worked as a nanny.
When I was working as a nanny in France I did know of one English nanny who had decided to be self emplyed. I don't know why, but the system is possibly different in France. I think any one in England can declare themself self employed. Childminders declare themselves 'self emplyed'. They are not working for anyone, the families who use their services are clients.
It is general practice in this country for nannies to be quoted a 'net' wage, and for the emplyers to sort out their tax, NI, etc. (I bet monst nannies have no idea who much tax their emplyers are paying for them) I think you need to point out to your employers how things work in this country. Try and find something writren down (printed off the web?) to hand to them.

ScottishThistle · 11/05/2007 16:00

No need to declare babysitting money!

Start looking for a new position now, I'm being deadly seroius!...I stuck an awful position for 9mths & it did me more harm than good as my Employer didn't give me a reference!

If you're very clear about the duties you're prepared to do you'll come across more of a professional than a general dog's body!

I could say much more but I'm in a hurry, will return!

I have 15yrs experience & 11yrs of those are live-in, ask away!

Judy1234 · 11/05/2007 16:00

Don't worry about it.

Technically you can have two part time employers who both have to deduct tax etc from the wages they pay. About 20 companies pay me each month and clearly I'm not employed by anyone (I'm not a nanny) but some people with a few different people paying them are employed by a few or in my ex husband's case he was employed by a school and then his other earnings at weekends etc were self employed on which he paid tax but you've told the tax office what you do, you're declaring your income etc so just continue like that for now.

NKF · 11/05/2007 15:45

I don't think nannies are ever self employed. It's to do with the fact you work in their home, using their stuff.

NannyClaire · 11/05/2007 15:42

So I am deemed to have more than one employer, allowing me to register as "self employed". On the basis of having only one employer, they would be responsible for tax, and legally have to provide things such as sick pay, maternity leave, etc should the occasion arise.

+sigh+ I am really hoping to make the most of this as I do like the family. I like the holiday home! I got on pretty well with the Mum before this came up! I'd like to stay for at least a year.

One thing for sure, I am now a lot clearer on what my expectations are!

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