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Can I really work from home with a nanny who brings her own daughter, or will the house be overrun with toddlers?

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oranges · 10/04/2007 19:02

I'm interviewing for a part time nanny next week, and have never done it before. I work from home and go out for meetings and the idea is that I'd shut myself up in the study, while nanny takes care of ds1 and her own one year old daughter. Is that possible, in a two bed flat with no garden? Or will my one year old and her one year old ruin all possible concentration? And what should I pay her?

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nannynick · 10/04/2007 23:59

Ok, having read all the comments so far, I feel some things need to be cleared up.

Nanny Tax and NIcs
Nannies are like any other employeee, the employer deducts Income Tax and National Insurance Contributions from the employees Gross Pay, paying the employee their NET take home pay and paying the deducted amounts to HM Revenue & Customs. Employers also pay Employers National Insurance Contributions, if paying their employee above a certain threshold.

For a 2 day per week nanny, I would expect that you can use Simplified PAYE (2007)

Working from home, with someone else in the home caring for children can work... but it can also be difficult. Noise in my view is a big difficulty (used to work for a parent who made international phone calls from their home office). It does have it's plus points though, you don't travel to work... you can spend your lunch break with your ds, etc.

However, two young children in my view will soon become two active toddlers, then two very active pre-schoolers. With good routines, children can spend a lot of time out of the home - going to local groups, playing in the local park, exploring local area, etc.

With regard to salary, my general view is that a nanny will cost about the same as two children attending a childminder. As mogs wrote, she charges £5.50 per child as a childminder, whereas a nanny will cost £7p/h gross to £10p/h gross and possibly more (though also possibly less if you can find someone prepared to accept a lower wage). As several of us on this board always write when talking about wages - ALWAYS AGREE A GROSS WAGE, NEVER NET. This applies especially for part-time employees, as you don't know what other work they may have.

If budget is a bit on the low side, ask your employer about Childcare Vouchers - as many childcare providers (including some nannies) can accept these.

With regard to working from home, check local planning rules regarding a home office and also look into how it may affect things such as Council Tax .

As you are only wanting a maximum of two days per week, and as you only have one child... I would suggest considering the nursery (and childminder if you can find one) options. While there may be some hassle in taking you child and picking them up again, you don't have the responsibilities of being an employer and you don't have someone else (or in this specific case two other people) in your home.

FrannyandZooey · 10/04/2007 22:50

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oranges · 10/04/2007 22:12

I know ds would be exhausted if he were taken out twice a day like that! I can't afford to pay loads, and I only need childcare maximum of two days a week, which is why I'm now tempted by a nursery instead.
I also dont want someone in the flat if they are going to feel claustrophobic and unhappy. Its quite a large flat, and bigger than most houses in london, but I can see a lack of garden is a problem. Franny, what would you expect to be paid?

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FrannyandZooey · 10/04/2007 21:14

The nanny is not going to expect a large salary if she is bringing her own child to work

(and I never earnt anything like that for looking after 1 child, not all nannies expect large or even decent! salaries)

plus why would she want to take both the children out twice a day? I wouldn't do that with my own son or with any of the children I have cared for

oranges · 10/04/2007 20:25

hhhmm, nursery looking more attractive. Thank you for your thoughts.

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NannyL · 10/04/2007 20:01

have to say as a nanny i would not want to come to work all day in a 2 bed flat, with 2 kids around and a working mum at home

no way! especially with no garden...

BUT if your children and in co-operating routines and your nanny had a routine of

all out for a morning activity,
home for lunch and both children nap
out for an afternoon activity then it might work quite well

good luck

also yes as said by oterhs you will become an employer and responsicle for your nannies tax / NI ? maternity pay etc etc, + pay employers NI.

as a rough guide expect to pay a nanny (without a child) around £10gross per hour (more in some areas)

NKffffffffee0f7f95X1118efd8f2d · 10/04/2007 19:58

The house will be full of toddlers but that could be rather nice. I don't see why it won't work so long as there are a few ground rules, one being that she is in sole charge.

Greenleeves · 10/04/2007 19:47

Franny, this is the second such incident in only a couple of weeks

I am becoming very worried about your brain

Twiglett · 10/04/2007 19:41

taxation guide for nanny salaries

Twiglett · 10/04/2007 19:40

its not just a rogue apostrophe though is it frances?

its an incorrect pluralisation

FrannyandZooey · 10/04/2007 19:38

Oh blimey

FrannyandZooey · 10/04/2007 19:38

Nope, nanny's are employed not self-employed. You're responsible for tax and NI as Twig says.

oranges · 10/04/2007 19:37

why would I pay their income tax? Don't they pay it on their income?

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Millarkie · 10/04/2007 19:37

Could you try to find a nearby nannyshare and have it based at the other house? Try sharingcare.co.uk or thenannysharers.co.uk
We have a 3 storey house and have shared nanny resulting in 1 baby and 2 pre-schoolers in house during parts of the day (usually only meal times) - and I am fine on the top floor but dh gets distracted on the first floor when kids are playful on ground floor..so not ideal.
My nanny does tend to take the children out a lot - normally one trip (playgroup or park) in the morning, home for lunch and a little calm down, then out again in afternoon (library, round to see friends, (Kew gardens today)) - so it's only lunchtime and teatime when the noise levels rise.

Twiglett · 10/04/2007 19:30

don't forget that nannies quote net you are responsible for their income tax and employers tax .. you will also have to pay sick and holiday pay

just don't forget to factor that in to your equations .. there's some helpful charts on nannyjob.co.uk

FioFio · 10/04/2007 19:24

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mogs0 · 10/04/2007 19:23

I had a nanny job when my ds was 1yr. I looked after a boy almost the same age. Mum worked in the next room and it never caused a problem.

If you think noise might be a problem maybe you could invest in some ear-plugs?!

As a cm in London I get £5.50p/h (£45p/d). As a nanny, with 12yrs childcare exp, I'd be looking at £7p/h.

drosophila · 10/04/2007 19:17

I think it is possible. I gues it depends a lot on you and how hard you find it ot concentrate. How thick are the walls? How does sound travel?

DO works at home and is set up in the landing. I think he should be in our bedroom but he does not want to mix work and play iykwim. It owrked ok until he started getting more and more phoncalls and still refused to go into bedroom. If he dies it is fine.

FrannyandZooey · 10/04/2007 19:17

Sorted then

Having been a nanny / nursery worker / mother / childminder myself, I would certainly say the nanny route is the way to go IMO

oranges · 10/04/2007 19:16

lol franny. I am quite hard nosed.

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oranges · 10/04/2007 19:15

I've looked for a local childminder, but none of them have spaces for a baby. I live in a bit of London that doesn't have many families in it, hence not many childcare options. I can concentrate through noise, and ds is at the stage where he really enjoys other children's company, which is why I thought it may work. There is a park very nearby for them to go to, and I can take my laptop and sit elsewhere to work if it gets too much.

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FrannyandZooey · 10/04/2007 19:13

I think it sounds quite perfect from your dd's point of view, and from your point of view as a mummy, but not so good from your work point of view unless you are some kind of hard nosed type

Mind you as the man says, 2 out of 3 ain't bad

harpsichordcarrier · 10/04/2007 19:08

I think it sounds a really good arrangement tbh. good for them both to have company etc. Flexible if you want to pop out and say hello or have a meal with them?
how good are you at concentrating? how's your willpower

Twiglett · 10/04/2007 19:08

the killer is no garden .. and I assume no attic whilst they're 2 floors away

I think you'll find it impossible not to be distracted

is there a reason you haven't considered a local childminder?

moondog · 10/04/2007 19:07

God it sounds hellish.
When my dh is home he finds it difficult to work in his office and we have a big house and a garden....