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Childminder's holidays

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cjm10979 · 25/07/2017 11:22

I toyed with the idea of putting this in AIBU, but thought I would get more relevant responses here.

We have a childminder to look after 2 DDs, one school age, one pre-school. I have known her for some time and is a good childminder with no complaints generally over the last few years of using her.

Around 85% of the children she regularly looks after are of school age. All the clients have different hours/days for the care, so no one family's requirements are exactly the same.

We have an all year contract and up to 6 weeks holiday for either side (some others do have term time only and pay a higher rate accordingly). During holidays for either party she charges 0.5 the usual rate. The problem is that the childminder mainly takes her holidays in term term. Her children are teenagers, 1 is about to go to uni and they get the grandparents to stay in their house when they are way. Our relatives are not close by/have their own health issues so we are not able to do the same when she goes on holiday. Additionally, some of the other clients are foreigners with no family in this country, so it's difficult for them to do the same.

I understand that she needs to take holidays and it not an issue with the 0.5 rate, it's just that we have to take holiday in term time to cover hers. Then we have hardly any holiday left ourselves to take as a family. We can only have 2 weeks & 1 day off together this year. I don't think we we be able to both take time off around xmas as we won't have enough. She is going on a 10 consecutive day holiday in September.

How do other childminders deal with this? I do think she is taking the piss a bit, given that 85% of the children & almost all the families will have at least 1 school aged child.

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ElizabethShaw · 25/07/2017 18:36

The families with school age children will probably find it easier to cover term time holidays.

jannier · 25/07/2017 18:31

To be fair I think the problem is the operation which I guess is going to be a one off.
My parents help each other out. I would try that.

Borntoflyinfirst · 25/07/2017 18:30

I'm a parent of school aged children and I have been a childminder. I took time off when it suited me not to fit in with multiple clients different requirements. If this issue was a major one for all your CM's clients she would have a decision to make. But it's still her rules. If she's already lost a client over it then she's obviously decided 'hey ho' and carried on doing what suits her anyway. I don't think you're going to get her to change her mind.

MeanAger · 25/07/2017 18:25

but I think it's reasonable to expect more than 2 TBH.

Then you have an unrealistic expectation of life as a working parent. Is this your child's first year at school?

cjm10979 · 25/07/2017 18:23

Thank you, Justgivemesomepeace for acknowledging this as 'being an absoulte pain' (your words not mine).

Also, some people have got this impression i've said I want the CM to take all the holidays in the summer holiday, I haven't. A mix of 6 weeks throughout the year, with the majority (not ALL) in school holidays.

Also, I think people are also forgetting that the nearly ALL her clients have school aged children, if there was a mix of pre-schooler onlys and school aged then the pre-schoolers will be OK with it, but when almost everyone has school aged children then it means nearly all her clients will be disadvantaged by it. I don't even think the majority of us know about the holiday in September, it was just causally mentioned to me whilst talking about something else yesterday.

I didn't expect to take 6 weeks off on holidays, but I think it's reasonable to expect more than 2 TBH.

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MeanAger · 25/07/2017 15:23

Actually, I'm now only interested in parents' responses as up to now the childminder ones are generally not constructive

Ok, I'm a parent, not a CMer. I have two Dc and as I am a lone parent I have only one set of annual leave to us either to cover Cmer holidays. How do I tackle it? I don't "tackle" it, I fit in with it, because I chose to have children that require childcare. This is life with children. You can't seriously have expected to have 6 (or 12??) weeks annual leave to float about the house or the Mediterranean once you had children. Did you? Confused if you really need that then you should hire a nanny.

NapQueen · 25/07/2017 15:07

We can only have 2 weeks & 1 day off together this year

This is quite normal is it not?

Lots of parents split their leave through the year to help with childcare.

My dh works in a school and term time only. He is off all holidays. However my cm is entitled to take her leave when suits her so first week of the school term I am off because she is. I am taking one week off summer and the feb half term so dh I and the kids will have two separate weeks together. The rest is split because that is the way these things work.

Justgivemesomepeace · 25/07/2017 15:02

My child minder takes all her holidays in term time as school holidays are when the parents tend to need childcare the most. She has children who only come in the school holidays. I'm in the same boat as you and end up using most of my annual leave covering her holidays. It's been an absolute pain. Ds starts reception in sept so things will be better as I reckon my 76 yr old dad could manage the school run whereas he couldn't have done full time care for a week! That will free my leave up for school holidays.

Snap8TheCat · 25/07/2017 15:01

Oh right. It's one of those threads. Only interested in those who agree with you. I see.

Notagainmun · 25/07/2017 15:00

Most childminder are parents too. Not constructive because the answers are not the ones you want to hear.

cjm10979 · 25/07/2017 14:55

No, I haven't had a holiday, I've been off work whilst covering for my childminder's holidays and sickness during during term time.

Actually, I'm now only interested in parents' responses as up to now the childminder ones are generally not constructive and i'm agreement with Greentulips on this one.

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MyfatheristheKing · 25/07/2017 14:54

My answer is still the same. Find alternative care if you can't cover it yourself. Most people would find it easier for someone else just to care for their children after school than a whole day.

Snap8TheCat · 25/07/2017 14:52

Ok well from another POV.

I'm a cm with school aged children myself. Much of my holiday is in the school hols with one week of term time so I can't have some r and r and catch up on things around the house whilst my own are at school.

I cm for teachers. They have to find cover for those. My holiday only child's parents have to find cover for my school holiday time off.

I can't please everyone. I can only please myself and my family and let everyone else sort themselves out.

ElizabethShaw · 25/07/2017 14:50

Sorry but I think this is the reality for most working parents - whether you're covering term time or school holidays, each parent takes separate holidays and it you are lucky you get 1-2 weeks all together.

Your other options are: find a substitute childminder, ask for favours from friends or family, use a babysitter, cover using holiday, cover using unpaid parental leave.

Notagainmun · 25/07/2017 14:47

Drip feeding about her operation. These are all issues you should have thought about before signing the contract. You need a nursery who are open year round with part time staff who cover other staff time off. Why not change? Maybe the childminder is significantly cheaper and you would rather try to get her to change her time off to suit you, rather than pay a more expensive nursery?

ImAFurchester · 25/07/2017 14:47

You've had your answer - they take holidays when the cms do!

cjm10979 · 25/07/2017 14:46

Perhaps I was not clear with my question- Do parents of school aged children and use a childminder have this problem where the childminder takes their holidays in term time? If so, how do you go about tackling it?

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Snap8TheCat · 25/07/2017 14:40

We haven't had any holiday since Xmas time as we have had to cover the CMs to date.

So you have had holiday?

ImAFurchester · 25/07/2017 14:25

Eh? Why do you need to cover 18 weeks holiday if your CM only has 6 weeks off? You only need to take the 6 weeks off that she does, surely?

feelingsickaboutit · 25/07/2017 14:24

I never mentioned you covering with your own holiday so don't get your knickers in a twist. Just pay for another person/nanny/childminder to temporarily look after your child while your childminder is unavailable.

cjm10979 · 25/07/2017 14:18

GreenTulips, thanks for your suggestion. I'm looking to send an email to all the other parents involved. All our contracts are up at the end of August/July (for those in term time only). It might be workable to everyone to take turns we'll have to see...

My personal preference would be to pay a little bit more and for her to take all her holidays in school holiday time. I'll have to see how the other parents feel, see if we can come up with something that is win/win for everybody.

We are completely exhausted we have not had any holiday since Xmas time as we have had to cover the CMs to date.

A lot of you don't get it, if we had friends/relatives that would do this they why would we be using a childminder? Confused

We do have quite a bit of holidays between us, but we also have to cover when the childminder has been off sick (she had an operation) and when the children are off sick (thankfully only a couple of days). My point is, it looks like we'll only have a couple of weeks off in the whole year as a family.

Feelingsickaboutit - do you seriously think we can take 12 weeks off per year (6 for childminder & 6 for us)! Confused. If one parent covers the 6 weeks for the childminder and then 6 weeks together we're looking at a total of 18 weeks off between 2 people!) This is the WHOLE problem, we can't take off as much time as we'd like because she's been off sick & on holiday.

She did actually tell me, one of previous parents left her because she had too much holiday!

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Redsippycup · 25/07/2017 14:17

OP i don't understand - why do you think it would be better for the cm to take holiday in school holidays?

Surely by taking hols in term time it is reducing the amount of alternative care that needs to be found - as the kids are in school some of the day.

Can you not take half days / finish early on the days she is away rather than using a whole day and so have more allowance left for your real holidays?

I use a nursery that does after school pick ups - could that be an option for you?

ImAFurchester · 25/07/2017 14:08

Stop pointing fingers OP has a problem and asking for a solution - offer one

The solution has been pointed out numerous times. She needs to find cover for the childminders holiday or source alternative childcare.

Borntoflyinfirst · 25/07/2017 14:06

It's up to her to chose her holidays. That's the beauty of working for yourself. Why on earth would she want to pay higher prices for school holiday holidays, and probably have to have more children around during that holiday too, when she doesn't have to. She isn't taking the piss. She's considering her own requirements - just like you are. She can't possibly please all her clients if everyone has different requirements. If you are unhappy with it you may need to look elsewhere but I wouldn't expect anyone to accommodate your needs over their own to be honest.

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