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From a parents point of view please.... PAYING your nanny!

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NannyL · 25/03/2007 13:42

Ok just wondering views on this!
Ive been in my job 6 months now and its perfect and i LOVE it in everyway. my bosses are great and its 3 mins from my home! ALL perfect EXCEPT they still havant paid me for february!
Also since starting there in september i have never been paid on time! been paid on 16th twice, 9th once 19th once and 4th once, and its now the 25th and i STILL havent been paid!
Until this month EVERY time it REALLY WAS the banks fault! (im always 'good' and reasonable about it and just say dont worry, boss goes to bank, 'sorts' it and a week later moeny finally has left his account hung around in 'no-where-land' for a few days and arrived in My account.
BUT its now getting rediculouse.
To be fair this month i didnt mention it to my boss until 9th march BUT I WAS AWAY ON HOLIDAY so didnt have much chance (and surely its clear on their bank anyway?)
He (convinced it was the banks fault again) didnt actually even GO to the bank for a whole week but he went demanding they pay me THAT DAY but (for the 1st time it WAS actually HIS fault, he hadnt ticked a box or something). Anyway im really not worried that he made a mistake, he is after all only a person and we all make mistakes sometimes! it was apparently sorted last friday so £ should have made it into my account of thursday...
BUT they didnt so its now banks fault again. I didnt find out until i got home on thursday night and on Friday morning my boss left as i walked in and i didnt see them until 6pm ie after banks closed.
Im now getting REALLY REALLY frustrated... I have NEVER been paid later EVER in any other job ever before (been working as a nanny for over 7 years now!)
I figure after 6 months its really SHOULD be sorted right now shouldnt it? We both have internet banking after all and its 2007!
My mum thinks i should demand a chapps payment which will cost my bosses £30 when i go to work on tuesday (i dont work mondays)... is this fair? (i think so!)
My step dad thinks i shouldnt go in to work until im paid , but a) that is VERY unproffesional (and thats not how i am.... surely if i refused to go to work they would then refuse to pay me?)
b) its now the holidays and we have lots of exciting things planned that I am looking forward to!
c) if i dont go to work sick people eitehr dont have operations (if mb is at home) or dont have a GP to see for their appointments (if db is at home!)
BUT i have a mortgage etc to pay as well and i CANT AFFORD to not be paid much longer.
so if you were my boss what would u do? If i said go to bank now and pay me by chapps would you consider that unreasonable?
Also what about all the interest i havent earned on not having my money for a whole month?
so far in 6 months ive been paid 87 days late and counting

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NannyL · 25/03/2007 18:55

they have natwest online banking!

only end up visiting branches when 'money' doesnt move from there account into mine!

The more i think about it the more rediculose ive decided it is!

As of now they can pay me on time EVERY month! Reading all these replies makes me realise how outragouse this is!

I suppsoe im far to soft and understanding and just say dont worry it doesnt matter, when actually it DOES!

Ive been on my online bank today and realise that in about 2 seconds i can transfer money from my account to any other account i chose!

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Judy1234 · 25/03/2007 18:48

I would have offered cash for every thing due up to date and said if you end up paid twice pay us back by cheque. If ever once I forgot to get cash on Friday we'd arrange for her to pick it up on Sat morning which I probably only did once or twice in a lot of years.

I bank on line with Nat West. I set up a standing order to my son last year. I did it with enough warnings. I went on line and gave the bank details and then they've paid and always do until it's stopped. i can also go on line and see all the standing orders and when they're paid and in about 2 seconds click to change the dates etc. The family husband and wife should get Nat West on line banking which is free and much quicker than visiting branches.

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dither · 25/03/2007 18:29

re: the statement thing... if you have someone working in your home and you leave stuff like that lying about for all to see then you shouldnt be surprised if it gets glanced at and clocked. and given that it was left in the nanny diary, well, of course she saw it!

i really think you can get a lot more insistant about this without being aggro or confrontational in any way (i know you dont like talking about stuff like money, nor confrontation of any kind) but seriously, 6 months is just not on.

and im v v surprised that they didnt go right out and get you at least some of the money upon finding out its gone wrong again this month. (thats IF they are being totally truthful about it all being mistakes)

NannyL · 25/03/2007 18:28

hatwoman.... i dont think so this time?

Or did they?... cant remember... was definitiely not offered any this friday but id still have said no dont worry. Its not like im going anywhere near the bank and nor have i had anytime to!

in the past they have but i always say no dont worry! I HATE carrying cash around with me and i hardly ever use it anyway!

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NannyL · 25/03/2007 18:25

actaully hatwoman so would I

in fact i DID change banks a whiel back when barclays were so incompetant with me and cause me so much grief!

nanny friend suggest me changing my bank account to a natwest account so we dont have to keep waiting a week for any money to get from 1 account to another.

BUT IMO natwest seem incompetant and i am quite happy with my account where it is!

maybe on tuesday i will suggest that my boss changes to halifax as well

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hatwoman · 25/03/2007 18:25

didn;t they offer to advance you some cash?

hatwoman · 25/03/2007 18:23

i also agree about the scepticism that this is the bank's fault. if my bank failed to sort out a simple standing order so continually I'd be changing bank

NannyL · 25/03/2007 18:22

whilst i obviously cant know for sure i really really really very much doubt that they are having financial difficulties! They both have very very well paid jobs afterall, and dont even have any school fees (yet!)

I agree its rediculouse and that it would be an obviouse conclusion though!

1st month it went wrong cause bank had my account number wrong
2nd time my boss had actually not quite done it right
3rd time bank tried to use the old (wrong) account number
4th time i dont know / cant remeber
5th time it pretty much worked (took 6 days instead of 4) and it all went threw HOORAY

this time not worked which was somehow my bosses fault...

however on 16 march he went to bank personally, and got it sorted so should have been in my account this thursday but not

beleive me my boss was mortified and when he realised that it was his fault on friday 16 he really was very very sorry!

as i said i dont mind the fact that he made a mistake, he's a human afterall!

I do genuinely believe its the banks fault!

but am getting a bit pi$$ed off with it all now!

on tuesday 14 march mummy boss asked me if it had been sorted, (daddy boss does that stuff) and i said well actually no i STILL havent been paid for feb, and even then her reaction was Thats rediculouse its 2 weeks late already and she was quite cross actually! They never had problems paying their old nanny!

I will be sure to tell HER on tuesday, cause i see her on tuesday, normally only see ddadyboss! and she will not be amused, and im sure will be right on my side!

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hatwoman · 25/03/2007 18:21

nannyL - if there really is a problem with standing orders (which I just don;t understand...) the alternative would be to take a paying in book to work with you, ask them to write you 3 or 6 or even 12 postdated cheques, put them in envelopes, with a completed paying in slip, stamped and addressed to the bank. write in pencil on the envelope what month it's for. keep them in your nanny diary and then post them once a month. it's more hassle than a standing order - but seeing as that seems to be eluding them, this is, at least, do-able and idiot-proof. you could maybe suggest it as a short-term alternative. and say to them - please can you do it now, before I leave today...

dither · 25/03/2007 18:08

i have a nanny and if for some reason the money didnt go out to her on time, id go and get it in cash, or at least part of it, and give it to her to be getting on with. id talk to her about it all and do my best to make sure she wasnt inconvenienced.

im sorry, but im highly sceptical that the bank is at fault this whole time. if you both have internet banking, they only have to go online, click a couple of buttons and its done. i think theyre messing you about, personally. and this month really takes the piss.

arew they maybe having financial problems you are falling victim to?

piglit · 25/03/2007 18:07

There's abslutely no excuse for this at all. We pay our nanny by standing order on 25th of each month. It took about 2 minutes to set up. It's outrageous that they haven't got this set up 6 months into your job.

NannyL · 25/03/2007 18:01

LOL at crossing posting!

u are right i didnt explain it very well, probably because i was talking about not being paid and i thought it was beside the point!

another thing im thinking.... if i end up being paid twice can i just keep it for march (or if marchs payment works for april)

as it is ive been payed 87 days late so far so it will just mean that i have had the correct amount of money for either minus 57 days or minus 27 days depending on if marchs payment which apparenty will work, works!

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pinkandsparkly · 25/03/2007 17:55

Sorry nannyL, cross posted, your explanation about the statement sounds totally reasonable, you just didn't explain yourself very well intially. I think this is a topic that worries a lot of people, hence the replies. I was genuinely suprised when you said you'd seen a statement, I've always respected your professionalism. I'm relieved you've cleared things up.

I'm gald you've decided to get tough, they need to know your bills are just as valid as theirs.

NannyL · 25/03/2007 17:52

thank you.... perhaps while im talking to them i will say to my boss.... Oh here is your bank statement which has been in the nanny diary for the past month!

just being pedantic but its a statement and not statements that THEY have put in the nanny diary... and as i said we put pieces of paper in there that we want each other to look at and read!

I am very sorry if looking at a piece of paper that is put in the equivilent of my 'inbox' is SO BAD, and I havent even opened it, just looked to see what it is! and has a summary of the front!

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pinkandsparkly · 25/03/2007 17:44

This makes me so mad, why is it that a nanny/childminder's wages are not considered very important at all by some employers? You can bet your life, NannnyL that if your employers were payed late and then had to actually chase their wages themselves, month after month there would be an uproar. Why is your morgage less important than theirs?

I think you need to get tough with your employers. No matter how nice they are, they are taking the piss, it's not good enough to keep blaming the bank, THEY are responsible for making sure you get paid, the fact that there have been problems should make them even more on the ball, not less.

I hope you get things sorted soon.

I must admit though I was a little horrified that you read their bank statements, even if they were left lying around. This is really not on and having read a lot of your posts where you come across as highly professional, I was really suprised. I don't mean to sound all 'holier than thou' this is just my opinion.

I do agree with an earlier poster though that this is beside the point, you should get paid on time, every month, without having to fight for it.

NannyL · 25/03/2007 17:42

thank you!

yes i could be paid in cash each week but the thing is i REALLY dont want to be

I want to be paid monthly (as i always have been) and as all my bills go out of my account monthly!
As everything goes in and out of my account (i very rarely use cash at all (EVERYTHING is basically a direct debit or on credit card which is then paid each month by direct debit i want my money to go into my account every month!

It cant be that much of a problem!

Also to complicate matters my bosses are away this weekend so i cant go round there now or anything!

I think on Tuesday when i get there, i will just say look this is rediculouse, i need to be paid and i need to be paid today and no I am not going to go to the bank either!

worst case scenario they can pay £30 for a chapps transfer or however much there bank want to charge them, and they can then argue that with incompetant natwest!

Also to clarify i dont 'look' through their bank statemenets at all..... BUT my boss for whatever reason has put it in the nanny diary... (its still there now actaully)

My boss and i Use the diary to communicate with each other, which often involves leaving pieces of paper eg letters from school, our music group etc in there for the otehr one to read.... therefore yes i did look at the piece of paper! Its quite thick and has a few pages but i havnt even opened it and wouldnt dream of either... but the account summary is ON the front!

so PLEASE dont be that hard on me!

also anything i see in the house is confidential anyway! so i really dont see the problem.

In fact in my old job i actually had a signed non-disclosure agreement on behalf of my old bosses buisness, which i am saying no more about!

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Judy1234 · 25/03/2007 17:30

She could be paid in cash each Friday which is what we did, not because we weren't paying any tax (we always paid it) but because she didn't have a bank account and anyway the money is then there in cleared funds on Friday night for that week.

NannyL · 25/03/2007 17:22

just to add their bank statements were left IN the nanny diary!

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ShoshableEggEater · 25/03/2007 16:58

Some of my parents paid me by IBanking, I had to stop it, as It was taking up to 10 days from them paying it to me receiving it!! I am with HSBC.

nannynick · 25/03/2007 16:39

Know you only really want parents views, but having thought about this a bit, may be best to break it two into two separate issues:

  1. Pay owed to end of February.
  2. Pay for March.

The pay for February should be made immediately by your employer. Using internet banking, a payment can be processed very quickly - if done tonight, will be processed by bank on Monday, and in your account my Thursday at latest (payments take 3 working days).

SO should be setup correctly for March payment, such that the funds arrive at your account in the first few days of April.

Query: what about payslips... if there have been issues in paying, have you still been getting the payslips?

Judy1234 · 25/03/2007 16:15

NannyL that's completely unacceptable. 22 years ago we took on our first nanny and we always paid on time always. I would make it absolutely first prority. Our lives work children all depended on the nanny.

I don't underst and the standing order thing. I have lots of standing orders. I pay my student children by standing order every week. I can set that up on line with on line banking. It doesn't need visits to branches. I can vary it on line. Interestingly it isn't always paid on exactly the same day and it is always a few days after it's set up for for some reason so with one daughter's rent I set it up to pay the landlord 3 days early just in case the bank are slow.

Ask them if they bank on line and can go and check the SO dates. Ask them which day it will leave their account each month and when their bank say it will reach yours and make sure they pay the blacklog anyway.

The problem for your employers is if the bank are about to pay then you'll get paid twice but I would tell them you need everything owed paid in cash by Friday and then if you end up being double paid by the bank you will pay it back...
Just read hst Twigless says. That is what I would say. The veiled threat can be you won't be in work on Monday unless they have the cash there (or partly a cheque if they can't get that much cash out). They can probably get out £500 cash on the bank card and another £500 on each credit card they have as well by the way.

bambi06 · 25/03/2007 16:03

they can do a direct payment into your account via the internet ,i do it all the time its easy, i assume hey have internet banking set up..it takes minutes... if all else fails take a cheque for this month and next month too as compensation , and making sure you get your money

motherinferior · 25/03/2007 15:44

The bank statement issue is separate, people. The woman needs paying. And in fact her employers' financial situation isn't the point either - they owe the money. End of.

motherinferior · 25/03/2007 15:43

I agree with Twiglett.

I've never used a nanny, but I have paid my childminder on time all the time for six years. Anything else just isn't on.