As a parent, would you find this too bossy?

I used to be a cm and my aim was to follow as closely as possible the way the parents would look after their child. I think parents are looking for a home environment, not something that is a mini nursery.
I don't really think you should be telling parents what shoes or nappies to buy. It makes you look lazy and as if you cba to take time with the children in your care.
I think you are entirely reasonable to state that you will only take children early if previously agreed.

It's weird on mumsnet. There seem to be a lot of cm haters out there. I've always assumed it's a jealousy thing coupled with resentment that some people believe cm's are paid a lot of money for just moochimg about their house. I'd love them to see the realities and how the minded children usually take up more of your time/ attention/ thoughts/ worries than your own children

I'd have an issue with the OP in that she seems to just completely dislike and resent parents TBH. No willingness to work with them - just a "I want it this way for my own easier life". With elements of "I'm too good to be changing nappies" as well - nasty attitude

How the frig did you arrive at that conclusion?

OP, going back to the original question - I would have like the additional 'requests' page.

I've used a CM for 12 years. Yes 12. My dd originally went to her as a baby. Then my son. They then went for a few hours after school when older. We formed such a bond that CM is now a family friend.

At the beginning my CM told me all her do's and don'ts in a lovely friendly way. I've always stuck to it. I totally see where your coming from. My CM is always busy, booked up with waiting lists etc and great OFSTED ratings.

It's s good idea.

zzzzz Thu 22-Jun-17 22:54:00

"The lying down wiping etc is the same. For a pull up you take trousers/shorts off and put them on again, for a nappy you stick tapes either side (or Velcro). So the fundamental time difference is feet in trousers or tapes sticking down, and I suppose if the the child's legs are held together at the ankle wiping might be a bit slower.
I doubt there's much in it."

When you hold babys ankles the baby is laying on back but in a natural sitting position so wiping front to back and in all the creases is very easy. The dirty nappy is folded in as you open up clearing away worst of mess and leaving the outside clean area under baby you then use wipes for the rest the new clean nappy is already under baby. Once you have cleaned the back area old nappy totally removed legs down ensure front is clean and fasten. If baby stands you can pull up trousers as they stand and if old enough they help you.
If baby is in pull on's and dirty you have to lie them down so surely they still flip wriggle an crawl away even easier as they don't have anything on their ankles so are free to move easily? In which case it basically goes back to the assumption you have to strip off to change a nappy which you don't.

mcat....

"I've already accepted that of course childminders will have less time, & if you're out & about of course it's a bit different, but the practically boasting about 30 second nappy changes doesn't sit well."

I don't think anybody is saying every nappy change is a 30 second one...but as a parent if your baby poohs as your about to leave home and your choice is change now and make the children late for school or let the baby get sore that is your choice. As a cm its I cant let baby get sore I cant get the children to school late so yes it has to be quick.

As a parent the cm's clients can use whatever they prefer I don't understand why that means there is a problem buying a pack of nappies for the cm to make her job easier and benefit all in her care rather than a pack of nappy pants. The cost is the same the parent does not have to use them even if they bring their child home in them changing into pull on's is the same remove trousers/bottom half, nappy and put on pull ups.. Both sides happy cm s life easier parents nappy changes unchanged.

yes children play up their parents more then a nanny/cm

but i cant see how stripping a child off fully from below the waist to put a pull up on is easier or quicker then laying child down and changing nappy

Mctat you are right. When parents are upset because I child will happily do something for me and not them, I reassure them it's because I am not their parent and children challenge the people they love the most.

'YET child will happily lie down/keep still while i change as a nanny ......'

Someone said something like this up thread - don't we all know that children are likely test their parents more than they would a nanny/childminder?!

I don't mean this as an argument for pull ups, but it's the implication that the parent is doing something wrong as the child is resisting that I take issue with.

After you were sneered at upthread, I feel the need to say to zzzzz that what you detailed about your care of your children sounds so lovely - your lucky children

No one has suggested nappy changing is a 'Kodak moment', I think it was facetious to say that. It's the opposite of a Kodak moment, which would be something for YOU to share with the world. This is about the child. It (and other caregiving tasks) is about taking just a moment to teach children about their bodies, their bodily functions, touch, eye contact, keeping themselves clean & dealing with their clothing, and that generally they're worth more than a cursory 30 seconds of their caregiver's time. All important things imo.

I've already accepted that of course childminders will have less time, & if you're out & about of course it's a bit different, but the practically boasting about 30 second nappy changes doesn't sit well.

as current advise is that children need to have reached a certain developmental stage and understanding before they can control their bladder generally at 2 and a half to 3 years ...yes it is accepted some are earlier and some are latter and yes you can train an automatic reaction they used to do it by feeding on potties and putting them in a cold store bottom touches baby wees ( not suggesting you did this) the baby then wees exactly like a dog would salivate if they hear a bowl but they still wee in the nappy in between.

I think small babies naturally pee in open air (usually all over the changing mat/in your face if male!), and putting a squatting position into the mix helps too. No pavlovian conditioning required! We then found the more DD did pee in the potty/loo, the less she ever needed to pee in the nappy, so potty habit was reinforced and nappy habit just gradually dropped off. There wasn't any obvious point that instinct handed over to conscious control, if they perform when put on the loo and don't perform till put on the loo, the effect is much the same.

I know not the point of the thread, but it was bloody brilliant after having a miserable time PT DS at over 3. With DD we barely had to change a pooey nappy after her first birthday, and a lot fewer than expected before that. I was so fed up of cleaning up pooey bums after 3 years with DS, I don't know how you CMs do it! (Well, with their shoes on obviously...)

I also am happy to use training pull ups the problem is if everyone isn't on board Ive had parents turn around and say you've got a pull up on wee in it.
That does sound odd. Though I suppose if the child is aware enough of what they're doing you have to tell them to pee in the pullup, the problem is basically solved anyway.

My question is if you are using the nappy pants as marketed how hten do you buy a pull up and say its different?
It's not different is it? I assumed it works the same as we did only at an older age, not a suddenly tell the child something is different, just gradually encouraging more potty use and less nappy use over time.

i think your rules are fine and make total sense

tied laces are a pain, children pull them undone and trip over them and velcose helps them to be independant quicker, most children under 6/7 cant master laces so whats the point in buying shoes with them

pull ups, cant stand them, pain to change a child as have to strip bottom half, pull off tights etc

and if pt, they feel like a nappy and child pees in them, use pants/knickers

To put a pull up on, a child has to he undressed from the waist down. To put a napoy on, it's just trousers pulled down, nappy on, pull trousers up. No messing around with shoes or anything. Much quicker.

this with bells on it

and amazing how many parents say their child wont lie still while nappy changed, hence use pull ups for ease, tho have to undress lower half of child,how is this ease?

YET child will happily lie down/keep still while i change as a nanny ......

and in the end, op is interviewing the parents as much as parents interview her, and both want to be a good match

I prefer nappies. It is quicker to lie a child on a mat pull clothing Don to ankles / up to waist, clean and pop on a new one. The pull ups mean removing everything from the waist down, including shoes when out and about, right faff. However, I use whatever the parents supply. If I insisted on nappies I would feel obligated to provide then.

Agree on early drop offs and late collection warnings. Better to make it clear from the start.

Not bothered about laces though.

zzzzz......My setting is not unusual as a childminder but I don't think many parents are looking at a sand and water area, painting area home corner dark den mark making table in just their lounge at this time of the morning....even many cms wouldn't have water play inside.

In terms of close bonding and special time I use nappy changes as a great time for eys contact and face to face interaction especially with my SEN children I don't see how you do this if little one is standing up struggling to balance and turning to run.

Ok

I am sorry. My mouth runs away with me sometimes.

It was a reference to your apparent obsession with nappy changing being a Kodak moment for everyone (you had a go at me earlier, remember?). But it was unnecessary, you're right.
Sorry.

You were the one sneering, zzzz