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CM club: should i phone social services?

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dmo · 23/02/2007 18:34

i know it always happens to me
and being a cm i cant bounce off anybody i am the key person the child protection officer of my setting.
anyway i have an 8yr old boy (quite grown up for his age) he lives with his mum and his uncle (uncle has problems has a mental age of 15yrs)
so the mum has a new boyfriend and has been with him 8 mths he lives in Kent (about 5 hrs drive away) mum goes down most weekends on her own to visit boyfriend and leaves her son with his uncle.
last weekend mum took son to kent and on monday she was really cross with him when she dropped him off because he had embrassed her (didnt ask what he had done)
anyway mum picked son up on monday night all smiles as she had just booked to go to america for 2 weeks in march with boyfriend without son.
she drops son off this morning and tells me uncle is picking son up from me tonight as she is going to france for the weekend with boyfriend.
this got me thinking as i know uncle works nights.
so i asked 8 yr old if uncle still worked at night and he said yes, so i said who looks after you at night and he said he stays at home alone (uncle works from 9pm till 6.30am) i asked what he does and he said he has to stay in bed.
now i know this is all hearsay from an 8 yr old boy but the way he told me its as if it happens alot.
do i take what a 8yr old tells me (after all uncle could have booked time off work, or they have a neighbour/friend come over to look after him)
i did try to talk to uncle when he picked the 8yr old up asking if he had booked time off work but he really is like a child (get more sence out of the 8yr old) so i didnt get very far

just tell me your veiws cant really talk to anybody about this

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DeviousDaffodil · 01/03/2007 11:12

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princesscc · 01/03/2007 09:34

any news dmo? I've thought of nothing else for days now!

DeviousDaffodil · 28/02/2007 20:20

How have you got on today dmo?

KaySamuels · 28/02/2007 09:55

Hope you find them more helpful dmo - this is terrible don't let it lie! That poor lad! They must know what they are doing is wrong to medicate him but that is even more dangerous imo!

dmo · 28/02/2007 09:43

true mog
didnt know the police had a child protection officer so will phone them today and explain all
thanks so much everyone for all your help

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mogs0 · 27/02/2007 22:42

This is slightly off the subject but...

If a child isn't collected on time and parents aren't responding to your phone calls, then you try the emergency contact and get no response there, so you call SS as the last resort, what will they do then?

If SS aren't responding as we'd all expect, to something that most see as a serious situation, then are they going to respond to a child not being collected? Or is that just something that's logged and held on file?

Sorry for the rambling. I have no experience with SS and hope I never do.

This boy is lucky to have you and I hope things get sorted soon.

DeviousDaffodil · 27/02/2007 22:10

I have to agree I have worked closley with SS in the past and my local team are very conscientious and would have been out on a referral such as this straight away.
We had a similar case where an older child was being left at home alone whilst a parent was out working nights adn they would not let it go.
You sometimes have to make a nuisance of yourdelf to get something done.
I would ask to speak to the team manger as often the people answering the phonea are not qu;aified SW's.
Excuse typing please

quietmouse · 27/02/2007 21:58

have spoken to a friend of mine who works in child protectin (senior position) and she says the way your SS department are handling this is not standard. She is truly shocked and says you must phone back and demand action is taken,

foxybrown · 27/02/2007 21:55

Am appalled by the way you and this case has been treated. It is absolutely shocking.
I think you are doing absolutely the right thing and wish you lots of luck with it.

looneytune · 27/02/2007 21:46

Oh yes, please follow DD's advice, I still can't get over how all these different people are just ignoring you!!

DeviousDaffodil · 27/02/2007 21:44

dmo, i really think SSD are fobbing you off. It is their job to investigate child protection matters that are ongoing.
The Police should attend in an emergency, but you should not have to wait for an emergency to happen. If SSD are not responding appropriately, ring your local main police station and ask to speak to teh sergeant on the child protection unit.They might get things moving.
I have worked in child protection and this hread is really worrying me.

looneytune · 27/02/2007 21:37

God this is awful, all our training etc. led me to believe things like this would be dealt with, I am shocked

Dh is fuming at this thread and said that you should threaten SS with going to the press if they don't do something. I think he's really because he had an awfully abusive childhood and thought that these days, a lot more was done!!!

I really feel for you! I'm so pleased he has someone like you looking out for him!!

furcoatandnoknickers · 27/02/2007 21:34

good luck dmo. What an awful position to be in. Fingers x for the little boy and you.

You must have a 2nd sense about this as if she was lovely you wouldnt really put 2 and 2 together over her going away (although 2 wks is a goodly long time..)etc You would just assume that he was going to a friends or another family member..x

dmo · 27/02/2007 20:31

phoned Ofsted and reported the insident to them (didnt give details) explained i had concerns and phoned ss and told them what they had told me etc etc
Ofsted just logged my call
also phoned police again (they couldnt give details to me if they had visited) but told me to phone back when i suspected he was left again

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pinkandsparkly · 27/02/2007 19:20

This tread is the most shocking I have ever read on mn. Social services are always in the news defending their actions when there's been a cock up, promising that 'lessons will be learned' etc... It all appears to bollocks in this case though.

Thank god YOU care about this child's welfare dmo but you must feel incredibly frustrated at the lack of concern shown by the very people who are supposed to be protecting vulnerable children.

I really really hope for the child's sake that this is all just a big misunderstanding but if it isn't then the time to act is NOW

LRWG · 27/02/2007 15:15

I can't believe the lack of support you are getting! Document everything, take people's names when you speak to them etc. If anything does happen (heaven forbid) to this poor little one then the correct people should be held accountable. Keep us up to date on this and take care.

princesscc · 27/02/2007 13:52

sorry if I missed it in someone elses post, but have you called your early years team at the council or your OFSTED advisor? I am soooo shocked that, as CMs we are told that if anything is really wrong we should contact the duty social worker and they will deal with it blah blah blah and you are getting no support at all! No wonder things like this go un-noticed! Poor him and poor you to have to deal with this.

frankieb · 27/02/2007 13:30

Hi
I agree with Quietmouse, if you feel a child is in danger then there is no need to discuss with parents first, my Child Protection policy clearly states this too.
This is appalling. You can see how all these cases go unoticed for so long can't you beacuse SS can't be bothered or have lack of resources or whatever.
I really feel for you DMO.
I would urge you to back to SS again and speak to someone else.
Take care
Frankie

dmo · 27/02/2007 12:58

phoned the NSPCC this morning b4 i phoned ss and they said to phone the ss

so at the moment but its a good idea to phone police today so that they can prepare for friday- good thinking

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quietmouse · 27/02/2007 12:03

I may be wrong but I think if you feel the child is in immediate danger you do not need to talk to the mother first, as it may just make her up sticks and go. Then there will be no immediate way of tracking what happens to this child.

I thought that as cms we were allowed to refuse to let a parent take their child when they come to collect if we feel the child is in danger and then contact ss. May be wrong though!

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StrawberrySnowflakes · 27/02/2007 11:53

i cant believe they are acting like theyre on the mother(and i use that term losely)side!..DMO you def need to ring ss back and demand a mamgerm god knows what is happening to that poor lad at home and although very difficult, you maybe should speak to the parent reg what he has told you?..i would ring ofsted too, see if they can advise or back you up?

mumto3girls · 27/02/2007 11:24

Please ring them back today DMO - then they may be able to guarantee resources to visit on Friday....and like another poster said - it's still fresh in their minds. If you ring back they may take you more seriously.

ScummyMummy · 27/02/2007 11:15

The boy was left alone on both Friday and Saturday night and social services are not concerned? I'm really astonished at that response. I would put your concerns in writing to the manager, I think. Or perhaps you should try the NSPCC?

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