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Minimum £72k salary required to allow me to take home same as my 19 year old nanny

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knakered · 10/02/2007 10:02

Nanny nick has done the "big sums"...so we need to earn £72k to to take home the same as my nanny - lets not get into disposable income...4 kids/mortgage etc...vs living at homewith parents ..ho ..hum..

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BrummieOnTheRun · 13/02/2007 10:44

why so hung up on my and DH's salaries?

nailpolish · 13/02/2007 10:41

you must spend on different things than i do brummie

we live on around 30k

and have all the things you suggested apart from a car

are you say ing it wouldnt improve if i had another 70k

FioFio · 13/02/2007 10:40

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BrummieOnTheRun · 13/02/2007 10:40

I was NOT suggesting that higher income families have the same problems as lower income families. But that it is ALSO a problem higher up the salary level. jesus, is this a witch hunt?

what on earth is the problem with suggesting that having universally affordable childcare, dealt with through the tax system, should be a political priority?

ScottishThistle · 13/02/2007 10:36

£100k per annum...now don't make me laugh!

Perhaps you should move to Scotland!

nailpolish · 13/02/2007 10:36

brummie read Fios post of 10:20:31

nailpolish · 13/02/2007 10:35

brummie - you dont need 100k for all that

a car for starters

BrummieOnTheRun · 13/02/2007 10:33

nailpolish, basic costs = tax & NICs, mortgage, food shopping, ground rent/service charge, council tax, utilities, commute, car & contents insurance, life assurance, small credit card debt, childcare x 3 (yes, I've already been told we were stupid to have 3 kids under school-age).

I don't think there's anything unusual there. we're a fairly normal family of soon-to-be 5 living in the south east.

FioFio · 13/02/2007 10:32

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nailpolish · 13/02/2007 10:31

well put Capp!

Cappuccino · 13/02/2007 10:29

I think what comes across in this thread is a feeling that nannying or childcare is some kind of semi/low-skilled profession

that it's astonishing that a single person, nannying, should have much of a take-home pay at all compared with someone who has a 'proper job'

asking someone to look after and take responsibility for your children is one of the most precious jobs you can entrust to anyone

after sitting with dd on her recent nursery induction visits and watching what goes on I have wondered why they aren't paying the nursery nurses twice as much to deal with all these children. They never sit down. It seems a good deal harder than my nice white-collar job where I sit on my arse drinking hot coffee and having vague conversations with nice grown-ups about press releases

jura · 13/02/2007 10:26

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jura · 13/02/2007 10:25

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nailpolish · 13/02/2007 10:22

Fio could you manage a small stiff gin....?

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expatinscotland · 13/02/2007 10:19

Hamster maintenance is expensive these days, too.

expatinscotland · 13/02/2007 10:19

Make sure you include snack fund in those basic costs. Those things can add up to some SERIOUS dosh!

nailpolish · 13/02/2007 10:18

Capp - "basic costs" doesnt include holidays!

imagine that!

nailpolish · 13/02/2007 10:18

yes, lets all wonder what "basic costs" means

Cappuccino · 13/02/2007 10:13

you've gotta wonder what she means by 'basic costs'

I'll bet they're not the same as my 'basic costs'

expatinscotland · 13/02/2007 10:11

Christ on a bike!

You can't live on £100k/annum?!

nailpolish · 13/02/2007 10:04

oh for fuck sake

a household income of 100k

what do you mean "basic costs"

holidays - what are they?

BrummieOnTheRun · 13/02/2007 09:57

My issue with all this is that the govt keeps suggesting that childcare costs are a "low-income" problem. They've clearly not grasped how to use a calculator.

When I return to work, we'll just be covering basic costs on a household income of nearly 100k. And that's not including any holidays. Or pensions. And please don't question my figures...I'm mistress of the Excel spreadsheet

Ruth Kelly said in a recent interview they won't consider making childcare fully tax-deductable because it would help "higher income families". So f*cking what?? They won't get a penny of tax off me or the childcare provider if I can't afford to work.

And as for suggesting that having children is like opting for a 2nd car or house in France. No kids = no one to staff basic social services in the future, and no net tax revenue for public services.

And as for not being able to do anything about it - just take a look at the govts other spending priorities. Billions wasted on failed departments like the CSA and criminal assets recovery, pointless wars and mismanaged IT projects. If those priorities don't match yours, lobby and vote.

Aderyneryn · 13/02/2007 09:48

I don't see how anyone could object to childcare expenses being tax deductible.

Cloudhopper I like your idea of giving a tax allowance equivalent to how many dependents there are in the family. It seems like it would benefit both working mothers and mothers who take some time out. Such a system might also help people who give up their work to care for elderly relatives or adult-disabled children.

Why not start a petition epetition and start rallying up some support for signatures.

ScottishThistle · 13/02/2007 09:26

I as a newly qualified Nanny 15years ago earned £75pwn & a friend of mine was earning £2:75ph Childminding therefore she earned in 3 days what I earned in 5 days!...It's still cheaper in many areas if you have more than one child to have a Nanny...That's not even taking into account all the extra's a Nanny does that a Childminder doesn't do as part of their job description!... This is why I feel there should be a lower rate for newly qualified inexperienced Nannies as there was when I first started Nannying!

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