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How do I ask my au pair to wash her hair???

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MiddleAgedMother · 18/06/2016 07:58

That's it really. But it's seriously greasy, I thought it was wet!
She is very sweet, 19, but I have no idea how to approach it.
Older DC commenting on it too just not yet to her.
Thought she had yesterday but then it didn't dry so not..........

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Fairuza · 20/06/2016 17:48

I would just say 'it's important that you are a role model for the children, and I want them to see adults have clean hair and are well presented'.

PerspicaciaTick · 20/06/2016 17:39

Having greasy hair doesn't mean her hygiene is inadequate. You wouldn't say that someone with dry or frizzy hair had hygiene issues.

I really, really don't think you can dictate how often she washed her hair or how "clean" you want her to keep it.
However, it may be less unreasonable to ask her to tie her hair back while she is on duty. I know a lot of nursery expect their staff to tie hair back if it is not short.

Pearlman · 20/06/2016 17:29

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yougotitdude · 20/06/2016 16:58

I also think you just have to be blunt.

I would perhaps say YABU if your children weren't old enough to be picking up on it etc- but as they are, and they are questioning why they can't do the same, YANBU. Naturally you are your children's parent and as you make the decisions on what is best for them- you need to encourage your nanny to partake in personal hygiene. Just be blunt. Kind but blunt. Just details the reasons that you have said on here and I don't think you would BU to do so.

I will be honest and say I can be super lazy when it comes to washing my hair- it's super thick and wavy so can take over an hour to wash, condition and dry into a managable style. I wash it once/twice a week. Daily washing is uncessecary- if anything it will strip the hair of it's natural oils and will ruin your hair.

Go and buy some nice shampoo and conditioner, sit down with your nanny tonight and have a chat.

BettyDraper1 · 20/06/2016 16:31

I would just have a not-about-anything cup of tea with her and sneakily work a suggestion in, like 'Oh! I tried this amazing shampoo the other day, it was 2 for 1 so you can have a bottle if you like. It really cleanses your hair which is great because my hair gets really greasy, which isn't great, etc. etc.'

StealthPolarBear · 20/06/2016 16:22

"You are picking up some parenting responsibility in the absence of her mum. That isn't condescending, it's the reality of living with young adults."
Condescending and sexist imo. I was living as a lodger 300 miles away from parents at 19. I'd have been horrified if my landlord felt in loco parentis.
If you say something to her (and I thibk you should ) it needs to be as one grown up to another.

PolitelyDisagree · 20/06/2016 16:21

I wouldn't bother with all this angst'ing, just tell her that you've noticed her hair looks greasy and that you would like her to wash it more often. If you really want to soften the blow you could say that the water in your area is particularly soft or hard or whatever and that she might be using too little or too much shampoo or conditioner but leave it at that. Short and simple is the way to go.

Don't say anything about being a role model.

iwuddarryl · 20/06/2016 15:27

And yes greasy hair does smell.
The person who has the greasy hair might think it doesn't, but trust me, it does.

AnchorDownDeepBreath · 20/06/2016 15:27

Mention her hair looks a bit greasy, ask if she needs a different shampoo. If you're going to say anything at all, you might as well get it over with. This is how I used to poke my sisters into washing their hair, although it came naturally so probably sounded a bit more genuine.

iwuddarryl · 20/06/2016 15:22

Was she clean at interview?

I feel your pain. I can't stand being around smelly people and smelly hair is truly horrible.
You and your children shouldn't have to put up with a dirty smell in your home environment.

wizzywig · 20/06/2016 15:13

Is she doing that 'if i dont wash my hair for long enough, my hair will start cleaning itself' thing?

NellWilsonsWhiteHair · 20/06/2016 12:30

Would you like someone with greasy hair looking after your children? Hygiene is a fairly key point with childcare.

I really wouldn't mind. One of the women who worked at my son's nursery had unattractively lank and greasy hair, wore scruffy tracksuit bottoms and t shirt etc. She was lovely, kind, gentle, had sound childcare practice. She didn't smell, so I presume she was fundamentally clean, and beyond that I genuinely don't see the issue. The fact that her hair was greasy didn't mean she was carrying diseases, or wouldn't ensure he washed his hands after using the toilet, or whatever, so I am really still lost as to why it might make her unsuitable for working in childcare. In terms of role modelling the only things that matter to me - kindness, patience, conflict resolution, being interested in the world, having fun - she was excellent.

Running fingers through hair then touching things - yes, sympathies. Although again, that's true of anyone who uses any kind of product on their hair. I can't help inwardly wincing when my son cuddles up under my chin if his scalp has recently been oiled, because I'm instinctively like 'nooo! Get your oil off my poor spot-prone face!' but I have to manage that reaction, because I love that he's cuddling me and his hair needs oiling. In a way, this isn't the same thing (his hair needs oil vs your nanny's needs washing, etc) - but it amounts to the same thing.

In any other employment context, I still don't get it. Employees or colleagues smelling, yes, intervene. Whether a nanny/au pair or someone in a huge office. It affects you because having to smell something unpleasant is not nice. Genuinely don't see how unwashed hair is comparable.

Fwiw OP I think Orwell is right that it's other people's attitudes on this thread that are worrying, rather than yours - I don't think it was you who said to tell her to wash her hair every day, which is quite frankly awful for almost everyone's hair. And I'm sorry that you think I was being unkind or unhelpful by checking whether she was able to lock doors and make sure nobody could come in while she was using the shower - I meant it as helpful. I remember, when I was much the same age as her, being uncomfortable using bathrooms at other people's houses if I couldn't lock the door. Not because I particularly thought they would come in on me, but I felt vulnerable around it, it was an issue I had, and thought was worth eliminating this possibility in your case.

SecretlyChartreuse · 20/06/2016 08:38

Please do double check she can work the shower.

Orwellschild · 20/06/2016 08:34

OP you sound very fair, but some comments on here are worrying. Nanny = employee. To those of you in responsible / managerial positions: if one of your team
Had greasy hair that wasn't causing problems other than you not enjoying the sight of it, then you would be v v v unreasonable to question it! And sorry, but you're not her mum, you're her boss. If it's causing mess or is smelly, then yes you need to ask her to ensure she washes her hair at least once per week. If it's not smelly, then it's not your problem. And maybe she doesn't like the DC braiding her hair. I was a nanny for 3 years and I wouldn't allow the LO's to play with my hair, I just don't like having my hair touched. Point is, it's my hair!!

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 20/06/2016 08:20

And as a nanny you are in direct contact with children and you need to be clean. I remember turning up for work once and our boiler was broken and the first thing I did was apologise and had a shower as soon as my charge had a nap! That was once in umpteen years otherwise it was squeaky clean all the way!

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 20/06/2016 08:15

I disagree that it's not your business if she washes her hair. If she was working in an office and there were complaints then HR would deal with it. Look how many threads there are on here about colleagues who don't wash and how grim it is.

MiddleAgedMother · 20/06/2016 07:48

Crumbs. All I wanted was advice.

Would you like someone with greasy hair looking after your children? Hygiene is a fairly key point with childcare.

Running your fingers through your hair and then touching things......

Telling my DD she can't braid her nanny's hair? What message would that give?

She is being well paid - she's not on au pair wages. She is young and with less but not no experience as that is what happens with older DC - the norlanders and experienced nannies like young children!

She can't take me to a tribunal for asking her to be a role model - I am very clear on this with all our nannies. Have been for years.
Wouldn't hire one who wasn't at interview.
And she is still on probation.

She's nice - and as many have said, likely just young and hasn't noticed.

So it's a difficult call on how to talk about it as I don't want to upset her.

Previous nannies have liked the accommodation - it's not a flat but it's large and well set out. No one has mentioned locks - and I don't go in there - but I asked and there is.
Not sure what it's got to go with greasy hair though. We and DC are on different floors - and DC never go in to her accommodation and nor do we!

Will try and catch her without DC this evening.

Thanks to those who have been helpful and kind. We need to get past this if she is to continue as our nanny - and we like her so I do want her to.

To those who have been so judgy and critical - I wish you luck If ever in a similar situation.

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NellWilsonsWhiteHair · 20/06/2016 06:50

YY Pearlman.

This thread is making me cross now.

OP your latest post suggests the au pair/nanny may have no way of properly locking the door when she's using the shower (either the bathroom door or her bedroom door) - is that the case?

It may be the case she just has different ideas about what is an appropriate frequency of hair washing (if any employer told me I had to wash mine daily I'd want to take them to a tribunal, frankly) - but I also wonder whether this is bothering her. You know that none of the family would come in on her unexpectedly, but she's not able to make sure of it.

Still baffled by the need for her to set a good example by keeping her hair clean, though. Do you also expect her to eat up all her peas, go to bed at 8pm, make her bed after breakfast, in order to "be a good example"? Adults necessarily have more autonomy of their own bodies and habits, compared with children.

MariaSklodowska · 19/06/2016 18:48

I would buy some Tresemme and give it to her and say, you have to try this, it is lovely. I bought extra cos it was on special offer...

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MiddleAgedMother · 19/06/2016 08:03

Tried that. She had the youngest in the shower in seconds!

I think she either just doesn't realise or uses a heavy moisture shampoo. Or is rationing?

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Bambooshoots14 · 19/06/2016 04:44

I like IrenetheQuaint suggestion

MiddleAgedMother · 18/06/2016 23:02

I guess I need to just get on with it. Have shooed everyone else off for showers!

Mrs Specter, she has an ensuite bathroom and DC are not allowed in her room or even to knock if she is off duty!

Truthfully can't even recall if there is a lock but no one would go into the bedroom never mind the bathroom. It's no where near DCs as not even on same floor.

I have been trying to think if it was anything like that but I don't think so. And when DC are at school it couldn't be!

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