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212 replies

ReasonablyIntelligent · 18/02/2016 17:45

Hi all,
I'm looking for some advise on how to deal with my Employer as I'm becoming increasingly unhappy in my position.

I am contracted to work 48 hours a week, Mon to Fri - I am aware that this is unusually low hours for a Nanny, a week typically being 60, so I am grateful for that.
However, since I started (4 months ago) I have yet to work a 48 hour week.
I live in a granny flat attached to the family home so obviously don't have a commute and am easily accessible.
It started off with Mum asking me if I minded staying an extra half an hour at the end of the day, always very apologetic. So instead of finishing at 5.30/6.00 I would finish at 6.30. Fine, don't mind staying late if she really needs it once in a while.
Now, however, 6.30 seem to be my default finish time, and I actually now consider it to be an early finish as 7.00/7.30 is more common.

This isn't so much "asked" nowadays as "told" and since Christmas there has only been 2 weekends that I've had the full two days off. Most of the Sundays had been booked in advanced - fair enough - but almost every weekend now I've been asked to work "just a few hours" so that the Mum can catch up on work. The problem with this is that we live extremely rurally and I don't have a car* which means I rely on public transport. By working even a few hours - my entire day is taken over, as I have to plan around the time and rarely can go out, in case it'd make me late. I also feel uncomfortable knowing I have to be back for a certain time so generally don't risk going out anyway.

I'm also feeling quite put upon because this extra work that my Boss is having to complete could easily be done in her working hours but she spends a lot of time during the day fussing over me or getting distracted by the baby. She must spend about an hour in 10 minute increments throughout the day just basically faffing with the baby.

*The job I applied for was offering a separate apartment away from the house and a separate car - neither of which actually happened. They had trouble with their first nanny and I think didn't want to make more financial commitment early on (fair enough) and said that it'd be something they look after I'd settled in.

Anyway, sorry for the essay! Am I being completely ungrateful and unreasonable? I feel so trapped (we're in a very rural area in a foreign country where I don't speak the language) as I just don't seem to ever be away from work.

OP posts:
sephineee · 01/04/2016 09:29

Wow, they sound crackers.

Scarydinosaurs · 31/03/2016 14:00

^^ Nanny makes an excellent point.

nannyafrica · 31/03/2016 08:42

So
{Mum is also afraid of the "hazardous" (her words) illnesses that go around (eg. Measles, Mumps etc etc) so doesn't want her integrating with other children excessively though says she recognises the importance of socialisation and outside stimulation. (Thus why we are allowed the 3 trips a week). Baby cannot have her MMR vaccine until June. }
But going on long haul flights is ok !!!!! there are more germs and bugs on a plane!!!

JellyTipisthebest · 31/03/2016 08:03

I worked for a family like that that wouldn't allow baby to be propped up or anything. I left just before she turned 2 she still wasn't anywhere near walking. Think she walked about 2.5 year but it was a very strange walk she was very tall so that may have been some of it.

Scarydinosaurs · 31/03/2016 07:25

The movement thing is NOT fair enough, surely as a childcare provider you know that? Why restrict time in a pushchair? It is absolutely fine and normal.

Do you often find yourself dealing with difficult families? I'm so shocked at how accepting you are about this situation.

cansu · 31/03/2016 06:54

They sound utterly bonkers tbh. surely you would be better with a more normal family in the UK? Babies all over the world go out in pushchairs and in car seats and are absolutely fine. The movement thing is just another example of a very uptight and controlling behaviour. Maybe this job is very well paid. It would have to be to be in such a dysfunctional environment.

LifeCrossRoad · 30/03/2016 23:39

Did you discuss the rediculous working hours and not having a day off and you need at least one protected day off when you can fuck off go out for the day to do whatever you want and have some breathing space?
Id also say that you're willing to stay long term if the original contract conditions are met, re car and seperate living quarters

Pico2 · 30/03/2016 20:45

Blimey. We never used walkers or bouncers, on the advice of our HV team, but we supported them ourselves. DD2 could pretty much support her weight on her legs from birth.

NotAnotherNameChangeAgain · 30/03/2016 20:24

Just dashing to the plane but worth mentioning that Mum has had strict instructions from a baby physio that baby should not be sat up until she can physically pull herself into sitting position. Ditto standing up.
Walkers, bouncers etc are banned.

Pico2 · 30/03/2016 20:13

Well done on having the meeting and getting somewhere with it.

Did you get anywhere with the hours you've been working and the weekend working?

Pico2 · 30/03/2016 20:09

It's a shame that they don't recognise being held as part of being active. Sitting up, being carried in different positions, standing with support on a lap all contribute to physical development.

ElleGrace · 30/03/2016 19:52

I'm glad you got on OK! No rush to mention the car, the mum in particular sounds like she needs baby steps at the moment and allowing the baby out is a big improvement.
Maybe you could suggest that now the weather is warmer it might be nice to go outside for tummy time e.g. to the park or the beach. (not sure where you are based so this may not be feasible). Make it clear you're thinking about the baby's best interests- crawling on and experiencing a range of textures rather than plain carpet/wood will be of great benefit to baby. Did you say baby is 9 months? Little trips out with the aid of a walker may be feasible very soon.
Also, mental stimulation is just as important as physical stimulation. Stress this to her if you can, even if its subtle comments such as 'X really enjoyed the park earlier, it was lovely to see her interacting with the birds and telling me what noise other animals make'.
If you think you have it good, then it's always worth working on a situation. As you say, if Mum does overcome her 'issues' this may be the perfect job!

NotAnotherNameChangeAgain · 30/03/2016 19:32

Hi, sorry for the delay. I'm at the airport now so I have a little time.
We eventually had the meeting and the wait was somewhat positive as my body finally ran out of adrenaline and I was much calmer by the time we got there. Though I had a serious case of the shakes and a dry mouth, you can't win them all.

First things first, I didn't hand in my notice. I still feel like there is something to salvage, they are nice people, the baby is lovely, its good money and no job is perfect - I still stand by this as being one of the better jobs I've had!

It's a bit of a mixed bag, I didn't get across everything I wanted as strongly as I liked (though I did my absolute best) and I haven't come out of the meeting with a completely improved job; it's going to be a work in progress which I think is fair.

The Dad was fantastic, listened to everything I said and mediated brilliantly. He was very supportive. The Mum was mostly calm and seemed to take what I had to say on board.

We've agreed that I can go to more playgroups/activities, though this is sadly still limited to 3 a week. I didn't discuss the car, I will do this with the Dad separately at another time. I do not need one for the next month anyway as we're either in Switzerland or I'm on vacation.

I told them that I was unhappy and stressed in the role as it stands and feel that I'm not given enough freedom or autonomy and that I'm heavily (and unnecessarily) criticised throughout the day. The Dad in particular was very supportive of this and I think they're going to discuss it further without me. In the mean time, they agreed to back off and this is one of the things only time will tell.

In regards to the going out for a maximum 2 hours a day the Mum said this:
Going out with the baby at the moment means being in the buggy or held; which restricts her movement significantly. They want her to spend as much time as possible on the floor where she is waving her arms and legs, rolling over and "crawling" (at the moment, flailing around like a dying fish and coincidentally moving at the same time) thus the outdoor trips are limited. Mum is also afraid of the "hazardous" (her words) illnesses that go around (eg. Measles, Mumps etc etc) so doesn't want her integrating with other children excessively though says she recognises the importance of socialisation and outside stimulation. (Thus why we are allowed the 3 trips a week). Baby cannot have her MMR vaccine until June.

We have extended my probation period to the end of June. Mum didn't seem happy by this, she seemed quite offended actually. Dad was fine with it, though his main concern was the time and expense needed to arrange me going to New York with them in Autumn, which obviously would be wasted if I were to up and leave.

SO - their main arguement for not going outside is the movement thing, which I guess is fair enough. I'll push for more baby groups over time, this will be easier when the weather is better and after the vaccine.
The silver lining to this is that this excuse has an expiry date; as soon as baby begins to walk - there is no excuse to stay indoors all day.

IF Mum starts to treat me better day to day, then I'm hoping I can stick out house arrest until the aforementioned excuse expiry.
With my probation period being the end of June, I have a good amount of time to see if things have changed and am no worse off than I was a month ago regarding handing in my notice - I can still do it.

We have agreed to meet regularly to discuss the ongoing issues with autonomy and getting out more. I've also written down our routine (which includes 2.5/3 hours a day playing indoors PLUS a walk PLUS some kind of going out activity in the afternoon) which she is going to look at then amend and discuss with me.

I'm sorry that was so long, but I think I summed up most of it!
If you've stuck with me this far - thank you so much! The support has been invaluable.

ElleGrace · 30/03/2016 18:17

Just read through this entire thread... I feel terrible for you OP
I don't think you're suffering from Stockholm syndrome at all, I think you're a nice person who sees the good in people and doesn't want to leave anyone in a difficult situation by leaving before giving things a real good chance.
Looking forward to hearing how everything went with the meeting.
Take care! Brew Cake

QOD · 30/03/2016 15:28

Jeez.

dinkystinky · 30/03/2016 14:24

Really hope you've handed in your notice now OP. The stress of the impending meeting (which I hope you've had now) is clearly getting to you - and that's simply not right. Her parents will not change - they have subtly (or not so subtly) moved the goal posts since you've been recruited and will continue to do so for so long as you're willing to put up with it.

LifeCrossRoad · 30/03/2016 10:55

Hope the meeting went better than thought or you've handed in your notice

BriocheBriocheBrioche · 30/03/2016 10:48

Good luck in the meeting!

Shapebandit · 30/03/2016 10:15

Good luck!

HeffalumpHistory · 30/03/2016 10:04

Good luck!
I really hope you do stand your ground, or give the notice! Flowers

Pico2 · 30/03/2016 09:29

Good luck. Just remember that you don't have to stay and whatever they throw at you is about them, not you.

NotAnotherNameChangeAgain · 30/03/2016 09:02

Meeting moved to this morning.
I'm sat waiting right now whilst Dad Boss finished a phone call.
I actually think I'm in danger of my all my organs forcibly trying to escape my body. I feel physically ill.

The reason we're having it this morning is they said that they needed more time to go over everything and last night after the baby is in bed wouldn't be long enough.
I have no idea what they want to go over.
It can't be sacking me as you don't need longer than an hour to fire someone.
I spotted their list this morning but it's all in another language so that's no good.
I have no idea why I'm so sick about it, I'm the one who wants to leave... gah! Grin

NotAnotherNameChangeAgain · 28/03/2016 20:14

Yes, so true. Thank you.
I was off sick today, I was so poorly this morning, not sure why.
I keep reminding myself that the worse possible outcome is having to leave! Which is what I want anyway...

Thank you so much to everyone for your support (even the tough love posts!) it really really has helped.

littleladyluna · 28/03/2016 12:42

Yes, stop being so understanding. Ultimately, what is there to understand? They are super wealthy and you are their staff, to whom they offered a job under certain terms. All you want are they things they promised to start with.

As far as confrontation - feel the fear and do it anyway. Think about how good it will feel to get answers in comparison to this limbo.

NotAnotherNameChangeAgain · 27/03/2016 19:40

This is true, we'll talk about it then.

I'll be sharing a flat with Mum Boss for the 4 months in NY; it's being provided by her employer. Can't say I'm looking forward to it hugely but we share in Switzerland and its not actually that bad, she's fine when I'm off duty.