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What can I do? Can I pass on the costs?

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MiscellaneousAssortment · 30/05/2015 18:03

My nanny/ housekeeper has just let me know she's ruined the work surface in my (rented) flat. By text:

"I've found some marks on the kitchen surface and it seems to be from where I've put a hot pan down for a second and its burnt the top layer"

My first reaction is:

Not again :(

She's a very nice person and has done work on and off for me for years, she's almost part of the family in that way.

But, she's also caused a huge amount of damage over the years, as she's very careless and a rather chaotic worker who gets half way through a job then never quite finishes it and is very surprised when it's pointed out.

However it's always been my belongings and I've either replaced or just let it go if I cannot afford it. This time it's the land lords and there will be a major bill which I can't pay.

FYI, I'm disabled which is why I need household help as well, and the job has always been nannying plus cooking, tidying etc.

So here's my question. Would it be unreasonable to charge for her some proportion of the damage?

I've never thought about asking her to pay for what she's broken or damaged before, as I guess the buck stops with me. But I have made it clear that such a large amount of damages is not acceptable... And she's seen me dismiss another person for treating my home and my belongings (& me) with utter disregard. Yet I've always paid for anything she breaks, so I guess I've been giving mixed messages.

I've even sat down and explained to her that getting into a chaotic flap/ trying to rush around doing things quickly is when she's making mistakes, and when the damage and breakages happen. I've explained the whole 'more haste less speed' thing a few times, and I've even gone through some specific tasks and showed her how to do them in a way that is focused and doesn't risk damaging things.

I'm really torn as I don't want to lose her though she only works sporadically with me, I like her and have known her for years, and my son adores her.
BUT this latest damage is so major, and she can't just say sorry and walk away surely? It's not somethi g that can be considered 'normal wear and tear' as who on earth puts hot pans down on a working surface? Surely everyone knows that you just never do it? And I can't be expected to suck it up when she's done something that would always just end in disaster?

Am so conflicted, want to a fair employer but I find I'm often a push-over employer and don't want to end up taking a stand at the wrong moment - but this is very bad damage and I should be reacting to Tibetans 'oh dear please don't do it again?'

Arggghhh!

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Murdermysteryreader · 14/06/2015 09:05

I don't think a landlord would expect to foot the bill for a tenants error. It would come out of your deposit. I think you should claim on your house hold insurance and decide in balance whether she's more hassle than she's worth .

ragged · 14/06/2015 09:04

Could you give us picture of the damage to worktop?

I am mixed on the worktop specifically. I also try hard to avoid putting hot pans on worktop BUT worktop is not fit for purpose if it can't take a brief exposure. Depends what her 'second' is.

AlternativeTentacles · 14/06/2015 08:54

Surely she should have insurance for this sort of thing?

Or you claim on yours and she pays the excess

Or the landlord pays on theirs and she pays the excess.

Or you leave it until you move and claim it as wear and tear.

Strawberrybubblegum · 14/06/2015 08:50

I'm another one who finds it really odd how many people on this thread seem to think it's normal to put a hot pan straight onto a work surface!!

It's surely only OK on a stone surface, which is very expensive and a long way from being the norm.

OK, you MIGHT get away with it on another surface, but why take the risk? Confused

crymeariverwoo · 05/06/2015 15:07

I don't even know why it would cross someone's mind to put a hot pan on work surfaces. of course it could burn! Yes, you may have heat proof tops, but majority don't so why do it at someone's house!
just have a discussion with her and say it's getting expensive now

bobajob · 05/06/2015 11:43

I always put hot pans on the worktop too.

Do you have insurance? Does she? Does her contract say anything about deductions from wages?

ButtonMoon88 · 03/06/2015 16:13

I live in rented house and our kitchen tops are wood but have a laminate pattern on them, probably the cheapest option, and I looks like previous tenant put a hot pan on the side and as a result the surface has burnt and become all bobbly (only way to describe it)

Can you not claim on insurance?

Karoleann · 01/06/2015 11:23

I'd never put pans on someone else's surface without a trivet or a mat.

Some people are just a little careless and she sounds like she is too. You can't legally make any deductions from her wages unless its specifically stated in her contract, so unless she offers to pay you're stuck either claiming on the insurance or paying yourself.

Maybe look around for someone else?

YonicScrewdriver · 01/06/2015 08:57

OP, this is something that the landlord will inspect at the end of your tenancy, surely? Unless it's now unusable I wouldn't get it fixed now - what if you do and then another accident happens next month?

Unexpected · 01/06/2015 08:43

Has the OP at any point confirmed what this work surface is made of or how bad the marks are? When she posted on Saturday she was relying on a text message about the damage.

Stealthpolarbear · 01/06/2015 08:40

I put pans on ours but always worry I'll damage it and only do it as the kitchen needs replacing.
I think you should claim on insurance but ask her to pay the excess. And she should be making your life easier not ore stressful!

prepperpig · 01/06/2015 08:33

With the worktops surely it depends on what it is. If its marble or granite you're unlikely to have too much of a problem with heat. If its wood you'll get scorch marks (we have wood and I use a wooden chopping board to protect the worktops which is covered in black rings from putting hot pans onto it) and if its laminate it could melt.

Callaird · 31/05/2015 13:30

Blondes - it was with my first set of twins, L&C, only been working for them foot three weeks! C is getting me back now, I must have lost more than the cost of the car and the house repairs, betting on him!!!

Callaird · 31/05/2015 13:28

I completely forgot about nanny insurance! Yes, our nanny insurance should cover us damaging things in the household, ask her to check hers.

I know mine does. I forgot this when telling my employers about any breakages, I won't hopefully there won't be a next time.

Viviennemary · 31/05/2015 12:53

Not sure I'd be happy with such a person so prone to breaking things in my house. However, the best way is to claim off the insurance. I don't think I'd make her pay for breakages or damage.

Allwayslookingforanswers · 31/05/2015 12:42

I never put hot pans straight onto a work top. I was in rented accommodation briefly last year and the work tops were ruined by pans.

I would be asking her to look into her insurance and make a claim, if not have you insurance and ask her to pay the excess.

Blondeshavemorefun · 31/05/2015 08:54

True. Tho used to also put them on my old crappy kitchen work surface on the odd occasion I actually cook Grin

I never knew about the car and front door Shock !!!!!

Op - if damage is that bad that you:ll need to claim Then I think it's fair to make nanny pay the excess

Callaird · 31/05/2015 00:51

Blondes - you have a nice kitchen though. The OP is in rented accommodation so the landlord is bound to have put in a cheaper kitchen for exactly this reason. I would call the landlord and ask him about his landlord insurance and maybe ask the nanny to go halves on the excess to showher there are consequences to her decisions.

Callaird · 31/05/2015 00:47

I'm a nanny. I've broken/damaged things. One family, I flooded their kitchen twice. Another I crashed three of their cars in 6 months (one definitely my fault, one definitely not my fault but I was in charge and one where I parked on a slope, left the car for upwards of 10 minutes before it made a loud creaking noise and rolled down the slope and crashed into their front door! Garage said there was nothing wrong with the hand brake and I couldn't have pulled it on properly).

I always offer to pay the excess of the insurance. Only one employer has ever taken me up on it.

But if I did a lot of damage to one house, I would want to help fix it. But I couldn't afford to pay £1k for something so I would expect my employer to go through their insurance (and probably sack me!)

Also in the hot pans on the cooker or a trivet camp though.

Blondeshavemorefun · 30/05/2015 22:56

£3k???? Of damage - ouch

But

This incident / I put hot pans on my work surface. That's what it is there for obv a cheap kitchen

wizzywig · 30/05/2015 22:16

£15 per hour?? get rid of her asap.

electionfatigue · 30/05/2015 22:07

Tricky. Did you tell her when she started that the surfaces weren't Heat proof? I would also gene really assume that a surface next to a hob was heat proof. are you her employer? Legally you may be on a sticky wicket deducting it from her wages without formally suing her.

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MiscellaneousAssortment · 30/05/2015 21:49

But have you broken £3000+ worth of stuff in 2.5 years though Pink? If this was a rare thing I wouldn't dream of charging her for a proportion of it, but I can't absorb £1K plus per year of her constant breakages! Not sure how to get it across that it's not acceptable as whatever I say seems to wash over her as she knows it doesn't matter how careless or how many things get broken, she never gets any consequences. And yes I've said 'next time I can't keep footing the bill' but then I always feel mean and guilted into it so shes never had to pay for anything. In fact you could look in it that she makes a profit as I have to ask her to go buy it new/ stay in for repair men etc and obviously pay for her time as usual... So she gets £15ph to help solve whatever crisis she's created in the first place.

I don't know how to deal with it as its so much more than the odd accident that you'd expect as part of being a person...

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LaurieFairyCake · 30/05/2015 20:13

You can't charge her at all. It's a normal, albeit stupid, accident.

LaurieFairyCake · 30/05/2015 20:12

This is something you have accidental damage insurance for. You need to have it if there's a clumsy idiot in the house Hmm (yes DH and DS )

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