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is ths too much to ask

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0x530x610x750x630x79 · 10/04/2015 10:33

our youngest is starting school in sept so we are replacing our full time nanny with a part time one (her choice), just drawing up the job description this looks like an awful lot in 3 hours what do you think
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Part-time Nanny Required

4 days a week 3:30-6:30 term time, 4 days a week 8:15- 6:30 holidays.
Looking after a 4 year old girl and 8 year old boy after school and holidays.
Duties: Planning meals, Cooking meals (you are welcome to also cook for yourself), tidying/cleaning up after them and yourself, encouraging them to tidy up after themselves, washing their clothes, changing beds, washing bedding, driving to after school activities (1 a week each), supervising homework, and playing with the kids, supervising play dates.
Bathing and getting youngest ready for bed
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Justusemyname · 18/04/2015 17:05

Yes, washing kids clothes and bedding is part of a nanny's role. Anything related to children. In one live in job I wouldmdailynclean the nursery, playroom and bathroom, washed and ironed all the child's clothes, did all her cooking once on real food and often did her shopping too.

Welcome to cook for yourself in brackets felt unwelcome and I can't articulate why. Maybe the brackets make me feel like you hope I wouldn't.

OutragedFromLeeds · 15/04/2015 10:11

I don't think you need to put this information in the ad either. I would just put 'afterschool and holiday nanny wanted for two children aged 8 and 4' and then obviously pay, hours and location. Nothing that you want is outside of a normal role so everything else can be sorted at the email/interview stage. Maybe do a standard email detailing everything and send that to any interested candidates so you don't waste time explaining it at the interview. It doesn't need to all be in the ad.

I think the real challenge will be finding someone who wants to work part time term time and then full time in the holidays not finding someone who can talk to/entertain a child whilst also hanging washing!

crymeariverwoo · 15/04/2015 09:56

I am an after school nanny and do all the things on your list. My boss knows though, that if we are busy then the washing gets pushed aside. But it really doesn't take long to stick some clothes in the machine and change the bedding. Just don't be too hard on her if she doesn't get time to do them. Good luck :)

FlorenceMattell · 15/04/2015 07:57

I wouldn't worry too much about detailing housework in the job ad. When you interview nannies you can say you want help with changing beds once a week.
I think once the nannies starts expect her to have a few weeks getting used to children, school and activate runs. After a few weeks she should have time to put a washing machine on IMO.
You are not asking too much.

0x530x610x750x630x79 · 14/04/2015 21:08

Homework is once a week for the eldest, reading will be 5-10 mins a night.
Bedding once a week, the evening meal is only sarnies or something similar, (school lunches are good quality here).

I have said prev about the washing being hanging up a single load i put on before work (so the re-wording to helping with laundry).

My main concern is the wording, if you lot haven't understood my intentions....

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Littlefish · 14/04/2015 20:45

How often are you expecting her to wash/change the bedding?

I would be concerned that in order the get all of the "chores" done, there wouldn't be much time for interaction with the children.

jkdnanny · 14/04/2015 20:38

I think that's a lot to expect in short space of time. Either start a load of laundry in the morning yourself and she can hang it when she starts. Cooking a meal should be fine as that's no different to a fulltime nanny fitting in cooking after school runs etc.
Could you have the nanny come a bit earlier to do the nursery duties etc. Changing of the beds I wouldn't say fit into an after school role, but if you have the nanny come earlier so she has some time childfree where she can do stuff.
I have a nanny friend who has 3 school aged charges. They are based 2mins walk from school. Pick up is at 3:15. But my friend starts at 2pm(she finishes at 7pm) She will come in, put a load of laundry in the machine straight away. She also prepares dinner and tidies up a bit.She changes beds once a wk. Pick up is at 3:15 and she brings them home and does the normal-homework/snack/playtime. She will hang the clothes while they have snack time.She then cooks dinner while they watch tv for 20mins. She feeds them and then baths them.

TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams · 14/04/2015 15:58

I think the tricky thing is that by the time someone gets two children home from school, supervises homework, cooks dinner and supervises them eating it, and bathes one there's not a whole lot of time left. It's either chores or playing. Both is unlikely unless your children are highly entertained by bed making. It's made even trickier by two after school activities a week so in reality, there's only two days in which to do the chores or do a bit of batch cooking. Yes, it only takes 10 mins to change a bed but that assumes the bed isn't piled high with children's detritus etc.

I'd call that

Daily Activities
Plan and cook a hot evening meal for the children daily [including yourself if you wish], ensuring kitchen is left clean and tidy.
Supervise homework,
Bath youngest child, ensuring bathroom is left clean and tidy
Quick check to ensure sufficient school uniform in place for remainder of week
Check any required sports equipment/clothing is ready for the morning
Maintain a daily notebook with any relevant updates/injuries/reminders re laundry or school events eg Mufti/Charity days

Weekly Activities
1 weekly after school activity per child
Meal plan for following week leaving list of required ingredients or adding to online supermarket shop
Supervise or drop off at occasional after-school birthday parties
Change bedclothes weekly [/fortnightly so it's one child every other week?].

Periodic Activities [typically during school holidays when FT]
Arrange and supervise play dates
Sort out outgrown and worn out clothing for storage/disposal
Assist with shopping for any "themed" days.
Sort out outgrown or broken toys for disposal
Batch cooking for children

Out of scope for this role
Any cleaning or hoovering, we have a weekly cleaner
Children's laundry. It is the role of the nanny to keep an eye on the school uniform situation and flag it up if less than two days remain.

[maybe that's just me - but unless you have a full set of uniform for every day, you can easily find that a 4 yo has covered a tunic in ketchup three days running and that the whole lot is in the laundry basket at 10pm on a Wednesday night. It's also dead handy if a full load of school uniform goes on directly after school on a Friday so it's not a chore on Sunday night. Depends on the nanny's days though.]

0x530x610x750x630x79 · 13/04/2015 18:57

Ahh i think other people have a different idea of what i meant by cleaning up after them.

I meant ensuring stuff is put away after they have finished playing with it, the kitchen surfaces are wiped down, table wiped down, dirty stuff in dishwasher from activities and making tea, towels put back. On the towel rail after shower nights etc. Not hovering and dusting, the cleaner does do that.

The kids already help strip their own beds, my son does it completely and it is in the machine before the nanny starts in the morning, the youngest stuff gets put in the pile so clean dry stuff is then put on the two beds, so what are we talking 10 mins work?

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TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams · 13/04/2015 18:45

I disagree with bbc - expectations up front otherwise it all goes pear shaped in my experience.

It does sound a lot but I'd say, standard nanny duties during school holidays and discuss what's achievable during interview with a "How would you structure your week around this requirement?" "Do you think it's manageable?"

I think you should be prepared to add in some extra time to the nanny/cleaner/yourselves to take up some of the slack during term time for the right candidate though. Cleaning a bedroom and changing sheets can easily be done by a cleaner if the nanny has ensured that the two bedrooms have been properly tidied up the evening before?

Tanith · 13/04/2015 13:06

The after school nannies I know don't do the laundry - any of it. As many have said, there really isn't time once clubs and homework have been accommodated.

Full time nannies, yes - nursery duties are expected.

0x530x610x750x630x79 · 13/04/2015 09:21

thanks bbc great help

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bbcessex · 12/04/2015 18:32

Hi there.. having had 3 after school nannies, I found it quite hard to a: find the right after school / holiday nanny, and b: get the right balance.
You might find that one of the Teaching Assistants at your children's school is interested? Worth asking or asking if you can put a notice up in the staff room?

I think I'd put in my ad something along the following:

Typical day will involve:

1: Collect children from school and bring home
2: Help with homework / projects, take to and from after school activities / park as needed
3: Host after school play dates / take to and from after school play dates as needed
4: Prepare dinner for the children
5: Clean up / tidy common areas (kitchen after dinner / play room etc.)
6: General ad-hoc child-related duties as appropriate

I don't think the ad needs to be super-specific.. your children's activities / needs will change from time to time so no need to be definite right now, plus you can discuss in more detail at the interview. I wouldn't put about her eating in the ad - you can mention that at interview too, emphasising maybe that she can eat what the children eat if she wants.

I do think it's fine to ask the nanny to help with children's room and laundry etc. as and when needed.. I wish I'd been a bit more specific with that myself at interview, because as they got older, she got more 'down time', and I didn't really make use of it.

If school finishes at 3:15, then I'd put 3:15 as the start time. If you want more done each day, then you can advertise an earlier start, but that may restrict the applicants.

Good luck, I hope you find the right candidate.

0x530x610x750x630x79 · 11/04/2015 21:26

adp

Did you even read my original post where i said "this sounds like an awful lot what do you think?" Or the follow up where i said thank you and had reworded and trimmed the requirements.

Or why am i typing as i doubt you will even read this post?

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adp73 · 10/04/2015 20:06

Good Lord you want a full time Nanny for 3 hours a day after school on only four days a week!!!

I wouldn't even expect them to plan and cook a meal from scratch in that time to be honest especially if they have to go to after school clubs and play dates.

I would expect them to collect from school, take to play dates or clubs, play at home and cook and serve an already prepared meal.

They won't have time to do much else.

If you want all the meals planned and cooked and rooms cleared cleaned and all the laundry done you either need to keep your full time Nanny who I assume did all this or get a Cook Housekeeper as well as an after school Nanny.

It does amaze me what some people expect.

0x530x610x750x630x79 · 10/04/2015 15:05

thanks everyone

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OutragedFromLeeds · 10/04/2015 14:45

I think it's fine as long as you don't expect the nanny to be solely responsible for the laundry and bed changing. There isn't enough time to do all of it, but certainly enough time to do a wash or two a week and get the beds changed at least (even if they don't wash the sheets). Or you could get the kids to strip their beds in the morning when they get up, nanny can put the wash on after school and remake the beds, you can hang up the washed sheets when you get in, they dry overnight and the nanny put them away the next day.

It probably also depends on how demanding your children are. If they're the type that will just get on and play by themselves, then plenty of time to do other stuff. If they need constant supervision/entertainment, then less time. I'd base it on what you could reasonably do in that time.

0x530x610x750x630x79 · 10/04/2015 13:49

oh i forgot we literally (the traditional meaning of the word not the modern meaning) live next door to the school.

and thanks Blonde they will be having school dinners, so that has changed to:
4 days a week 3:00-6:30 term time, 4 days a week 8:15- 6:30 holidays.
Looking after a 4 year old girl and 8 year old boy after school and holidays.
Duties:
• Prepare meals (you are welcome to also cook for yourself) 2 meals holidays, 1 evening meal term time they have school dinner.
• Tidying/cleaning up after them and yourself, encouraging them to tidy up after themselves, Changing beds, helping with laundry,
• Driving to after school activities (1 a week each, so 2 in total),
• Supervising homework, and playing with the kids, supervising play dates.

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HSMMaCM · 10/04/2015 12:55

The main but of the meal could be reheated with veg cooked each day? If nanny starts at 2:30, are they likely to have to leave at 3 for the school run? It's amazing how much time is taken up by getting home from school, maybe going to the park on the way home, sorting out shoes and coats, getting the children fed, etc.

Blondeshavemorefun · 10/04/2015 12:54

I think what you want done in those few hours is a lot - as means nanny will be washing etc once home after school with your children

So your kids will be ignored iyswim - while she does the chores - so she won't be there helping with homework or listening to reading etc

Plus with after school activites /play dates they may not be at home

Far better to have nanny come in hour earlier and do the chores

And yes she should cook for them. Will they be having school dinners so a snacky tea / or you want a decent meal - ie casserole - pie - lasagne etc

CaulkheadUpNorth · 10/04/2015 11:50

I did after school nannying and the parents would often put a wash of the children's clothing in and I would hang it up, and I organised washing the uniforms on a Friday. Could you do something like that, as there might not be time in an afternoon to load the machine and hang it to dry at the same time as other jobs.

TywysogesGymraeg · 10/04/2015 11:48

Reheated food is fresh - it's just as fresh as eating it on the same day. Once it's cooked, it's cooked.

Some people only ever eat ready cooked stuff bought from shops and re-heated at home. I wouldn't advocate that because it contains all sorts of yucky presevatives and stuff. But re-heating meals you've made at home? No problem. What do you do with leftovers? Or do you always manage to cook exactly the right amount that everyone wants to eat?

Personally, I'd prefer my kids to be eating something I've cooked myself, rather than something someone else has cooked.

0x530x610x750x630x79 · 10/04/2015 11:20

I often re-heat food but over half the week? sorry fresh food and your 5 a day is one of my "things" it may not be rational, it may not stand up to debate, and I can't help it.

I was hoping to get someone at the local college studing a part time advanced course in something child related (like the last nanny was to begin with 5 years ago)

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TywysogesGymraeg · 10/04/2015 11:18

What's wrong with re-heated food? I frequently make a meal such as a lasagne or a casserole one evening and heat it up to eat the next. And we re-heat leftovers all the time.

0x530x610x750x630x79 · 10/04/2015 11:09

I wouldn't include any other washing, unless you mean just putting machine on? Not time to dry and iron.

oh yes only put loads on (or hang up if i put on in the morning), we don't iron anything in this house.

I was thinking of allowing extra time each day for food prep.

so thanks everyone, i will have to prune.

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