nanny is pregnant :(

*ssp

Can sure - It's so that you're thinking of, not smp.

I think this might be another reverse thread?

I think you should look into the SMP issue as I remember reading that the government no longer will repay you for this.

Rainbow, how awful. I can't imagine being at work in those circs.

OP be really careful with this. I struggled in to work most days until 20 weeks and then collapsed in a heap of sickness and exhaustion and was signed off for many weeks after that. My GP said that if I hadn't wrung myself out so much I might not have collapsed so completely. Sure that's a risk you want to take? MrsWobble's give and take sounds much more sensible.

Arranging antenatal appts does depend on local arrangements - mine were on Thurs pms and they were the only option, but I tried to get them at lunchtime or as late as possible.

OP as a retired midwife can I ask you to please be kind to your nanny. From my experience nausea and sickness are made worse if the woman if tired or stressed. So if you force her to come in when she is not well you will make the situation worse. Don't forget that it is common to be admitted to hospital with vomiting and treatment is rest and IV fluids.
Your nanny has enough to contend with coming to terms with the emotional effects of unplanned pregnancy. She needs an employer who treats her fairly.
Most nannies will try to fit appointments around their job but Antenatal clinics/Scans are Mon to Friday unusual to offer Sat appointments.
Yes I appreciate it is inconvenient but that is part and parcel of being an employer, maybe your should use a nursery.
Rainbow so sorry to hear about your miscarriage and ectopic- do hope you are ok being at work today.

rainbow that's so sad. Sorry for your loss but not all bosses are like your old one :(

Seems op isn't coming back to reply. Shame really. Would have been nice for her to say omg. I'm such a shit employer etc. Course I will be giving time off if my nanny needs it

Whoever said the nanny is an employee and has same rights as op has in her job is 100% correct

I was in this position some years ago when our nanny became pregnant. My initial reaction was probably similar to yours OP in that it was going to be massively inconvenient but given you have no choice in the matter you need to deal with it, and dealing with it well and with good grace is much better for all of you.

In fact, it really wasn't anything like as bad as I had expected - my nanny went to enormous effort to arrange her midwife appointments and scans around my family's diary - which was something I had absolutely no right to expect, but for which I was very grateful. She didn't need much time off, but when we could let her come in late or go early we did. The key to it all was to communicate - she let us know when she was feeling below par, and we would try and get home early for her and we told her when we had immovable work commitments and she understood our diary constraints.

You get SMP refunded by the government so the only additional cost is the holiday pay she will accrue on maternity leave - which you might want to plan for.

She has the right to return to the same job, but that does not mean the right to bring her baby with her so you need to think about what you might want to do as will she. Again, communication makes this easier. If she's been with you more than 2 years then you might have redundancy considerations to take into account, and it's worth remembering that you can't make her redundant because she's pregnant.

Whilst it all sounds like an enormous and expensive hassle - it really needn't be, and it is worth getting it right for both of your sakes.

Nannies who are treated well and appreciated will always put more in.

My 1st pregnancy I was seriously suffering morning sickness for the majority of the pregnancy. I found it so upsetting and hard. I gave everything I could to that job. When I told my boss I was pregnant she swore at me. "Oh shit shit shit" .. I was made to feel guilty for the times I couldn't lift myself out of bed to get into work. Eventually I was signed off at 33 weeks and never went back. I'd have honestly tried to carry on if she'd been good to me, but she didn't.

This time I was too scared to tell my bosses. I ended up miscarrying at work. I've worked through that miscarriage, and now I'm working through an eptopic. Yesterday I spent the day being sick with spontaneous contraction like pain (medical management)

I won't tell them. They are a lovely family but I don't trust any family not to react like you. I can't risk being made redundant just because they are too scared to deal with a pregnant nanny or mat leave.

Yes I understand it's disruptive but you've no right to behave like this. Nannies already put more in that someone who have HR and colleagues to cover them. We are painfully aware of the dominoes effect our absence creates. Be very, very nice to her.

Surely this is a wind up?

In case it isn't, op if you were to insist she comes in when she is suffering maternity related illness you would be breaking the law.

Furthermore, if something were to happen to the baby she could sue you, for breaking the law and putting her under undue stress.

I work full time and understand your distresss I really do, but I also find the tone of the OP and the sad face upsetting.

You can't make her come in if she is sick. If she's 12 weeks then hopefully she might be past the worst of that anyway.

Can't believe you put a sad face after your thread title. Talk about only seeing things from your own point of view.
I'm gutted but guess there's not much I can do she's only twelve weeks, you could offer to pay for an abortion

Your nanny is an employee and is allowed to be sick and allowed to be pregnant. She is allowed time off for pregnancy related illness, plus time for doctor/midwife/hospital appointments. She will also be entitled to maternity pay. Please remember that whilst this is frustrating for you, she is a young person who is pregnant and will need some support and flexibility from you, her employer.
Ginny, you may wish to let your friend know that age discrimination is illegal - and quite rightly so.

Employers have a legal obligation to treat nannies fairly yes EVEN pregnant nannies. So Op you need to come up with a plan because you cannot insist a pregnant, sick nanny comes to work because otherwise it puts you out. Dare I ask how you plan to cover her leave? You know she will need time off for scans and appointments too?

What a nightmare. Not sure how things pan out for you as the employer.

Perhaps you can look on Legal for advice on how to handle this.

Nannies are employees and are entitled to the same maternity rights as others. If you aren't willing to abide by this perhaps a nursery would have been a better option.

Quite.

Our nanny is pregnant.

Nannies are employees and are entitled to the same maternity rights as others. If you aren't willing to abide by this perhaps a nursery would have been a better option.

I think you're on dodgy ground morally and legally.

We're making arrangements around our nanny's rights and of course it isn't convenient but all employers have to do it for all staff. I expect it was done for you. It was certainly done for me. BTW sorting out statutory maternity pay was easy and the cost is covered by the government.

I feel surprised when I read this board and see how badly some employers attempt to treat their nannies.

Ginny by your friend avoiding employing women of a certain age in case they get pregnant, she is breaking the law.

I've just read that the employer can claim back SMP. That is good.

OP, I am sure it will work out for you. It just seems a big problem at the moment.

Do the maternity rights mean the nanny gets paid if off sick with pregnancy related illness?

Is there an insurance an employer can take out to cover maternity leave, I wonder?

They are not harsh replies I agree. The OP has a busy job. Nannying is not all pixies and play dough either.

What if the original post read as:
AIBU to be cross with my boss? I'm a nanny for a busy family.mi just told my boss I'm pregnant. I have bad morning sickness and am not functioning at 100%. My boss has told me I still have to go to work as she is too busy and can't take time to stay home or find a replacement.

Don't think replies are harsh

Op said her job is demanding and can't take time off - and insists nanny should go in regardless

well that's normal for most of my employers - ie busy jobs - but when I needed time off when my husband and mum died unexpectedly they gave it to me without a second thought

Nanniea are only human and sometimes need time off

I hope that she is going to throw up on your couch and carpet and that the smell won't go away.

I am gross, I know..

You are being massively unfair to the poor woman. Would you be expected to crawl into work with a really bad bout of morning sickness and perform well, OP? I couldn't move away from the toilet for the first 14 weeks of my pregnancy. I could barely look after myself for feeling so terrible, let alone look after somebody's children.

If she needs time off, she needs time off. You can't ban her from being ill.

Meant to say friend has employed various nannies over the years and tends to go for older nannies.

My friend has nannies. She always tries to employ older nannies so there is less chance of this happening.
Not that that's being much help to you OP.