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Is the new childcare bill legal yet?

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Katymac · 02/10/2006 18:41

Has it been passed thro' parliment and is due to come into effect in 200?....or is it in effect now

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Katymac · 04/10/2006 22:31

I'm not sure I like babies (however I am damn good at running a small business)

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dmo · 04/10/2006 14:20

omg

its not that i dont like babies its that i prefer older children
so gald they are only term time school hours only i'm so lucky

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Katymac · 04/10/2006 14:15

That's nice - I have 9 under 2's and 6 5-9's

I must be doing something wrong

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dmo · 04/10/2006 13:53

all my babies are term time only

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Katymac · 04/10/2006 07:40

You can't have breaks because you choose not too

However it is more difficult for your employee to make a decision like hat as she could be seen to be prssured by you (iyswim) - so she's not allowed too

You couldn't employ someone that young for that long, - has she got a frind then you could employ them each 4.5/5 hrs that way if one goes sick you still have cover

When I considered this I wanted 2 or 4 girls each doing about 12- 15 hrs a week (it would be about 10-12 in your case) so if any dropped out I could keep the others (but them I am a panicker (sp?))

Would you have no babies?

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dmo · 03/10/2006 22:36

sounds too much hard work
how come i cant have breaks etc

was thinking just for summer hols when were out and about from 9am till 6pm
i normally have about 8 children aged 5 to 10 (all boys) and a school mini bus to drive us in

what if (got someone in mind) a child aged 16 helped she is really good and has 6 siblings (shes the eldest) and doesnt know if she wants to work with children or hair
it could be like work experances

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Katymac · 03/10/2006 22:33

Bit toired - catch you tomorrow??

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Katymac · 03/10/2006 22:31

Yes a cert if a minder no if an assistant

Numbers may go up....or may not depends on other things eg inside & outside space; size of kitchen; equipment etc

If you pay a wage and a child gives notice you will still have to pay her

What if 2 give notice?
What hrs would she (or he) work

What about Tax & Ni (another 11% on top) of minimum wage (currently £5,35 phr)
& also SSP/SMP/holidays
Working hrs directive = breaks/time off/max number of hrs worked

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dmo · 03/10/2006 22:26

i've thought about employing somebody
do they need a reg cerf?
if because of new empoly i could look after more children how would it work?
do i pay her a wage the same each week or does she get paid from the parents of the extra children?

i would much rather pay her a wage
for example if the children i had earned me £400 per week how much should i give her baring in mind its my house and i would be doing the 7.30am starts and 8.30pm finishes

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Katymac · 03/10/2006 22:18

Yep - they have their own as does Dh

New lady started her ICP last night so she may get her own too

of course only I got outstanding

Basically cos I do all he paperwork etc - so the girls & Dh couldn't as it is my work (iyswim)

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dmo · 03/10/2006 22:17

how does ofsteding go?
do the mums 9-3 have their own certifcate?
or is it just you and dh?

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Katymac · 03/10/2006 22:00

Oh sorry

Yes it is my house (well mine & DH)

No all the mindees are mine....all mine [laughing manically emoticon]

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Katymac · 03/10/2006 21:58

My DH
2 fellow mums (workng 9-3)
A new lady (lovely) working Breakfast & tea

I am taking on someone new to do BF & T so my current new lady can do mornings - which will hopefully leave me time to do my NVQ (oh! & open a nursery - maybe?)

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dmo · 03/10/2006 21:35

who works with you Katymac?
are they in your house?
do you have your own mindees or do you share?
just intrested in your background as i know you have mentioned that you work on a large scale and have staff
hows the nursery plans coming on?

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Katymac · 03/10/2006 21:23

It might have meant that C/Mers working in groups (like I do) could only have up to 3 minders or assistant working from the one house

But now I have spoken to OFSTED it means that only 3 (out of the 6 of us) can work at any one time....which is what we wanted

Sorry to stress everyone

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franyfroo · 03/10/2006 21:14

bit (very) thick, so in words of one sylble what does all this mean

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Katymac · 02/10/2006 21:55

There are 5 (soon to be 6 of us)

So we will have to see

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nannynick · 02/10/2006 21:43

Sorry, meant Section 37, paragraph 91
Click the link and scroll down till you see 91.

nannynick · 02/10/2006 21:42

I think it means At Any One Time.

With childminding, the premises due to it being domestic, is NOT connected with the childminder.
See the Explanatory Notes, section 91 .

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Katymac · 02/10/2006 20:43

Do you think this means at a time or all together??

"Early Years provision on domestic premises for reward is not early years childminding if at any time the number of persons providing the early years provision on the premises or assisting with the provision exceeds three."

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nannynick · 02/10/2006 20:28

Just to clarify something... where Government mention Part 10A of the Children Act 1989, they mean, the section titled Part XA, which was inserted into the Chilren Act 1989 by the Care Standards Act 2000. Part X in the Children Act 1989, was removed by the Care Standards Act, for those in England and Wales.

So currently, the legislation in force relating to Childminders in England, is Part XA of the Children Act 1989, which can be found in the Care Standards Act 2000. Link to Part XA

nannynick · 02/10/2006 20:10

Done a little more reading... the Early Years Register is highly connected with Early Years Foundation Stage, on which there was a consultation back in May 2006. EYFS Consultation Documents
Proposal is for EYFS to be delivered in settings from September 2008 - so that date is likely to be when 'early years register' comes into force.
Commencement Order is expected to be sometime in 2008, following a formal consultation.

nannynick · 02/10/2006 19:57

I know... but couldn't find that 'early years register' bit. With luck there will be a consultation about it at some point, which will give an indication of when it be come into force. For now, may be best to assume April 2008.

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Katymac · 02/10/2006 19:53

Nick - the 5-7 bit doesn't really wory me

It's the other bit

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nannynick · 02/10/2006 19:39

Just paid a visit to dfes.gov.uk/consultations and they have a number of consultations going on relating to the Childcare Act 2006.
From those consultations, and previous consultations (see their Archive) regarding the Childcare Act 2006, it appears that they intend:

Providers already registered for care of children aged 5-7 years, will continue to fall under Part 10A of Children Act 1989, until September 2008.
Source: Full Consultation Document: The Ofsted Childcare Register

Some parts to come into force in early 2008 - I suspect April is a typical month for new laws to come into force.

Until there is an actual Commencement Order we won't know a specific date... but for now, I exepect April 2008 (with some of it being September 2008, to fit with School Year).