Extra pay for extra child?

I've taken 2 under fives swimming in the past but I can see it might be a bit daunting for some. As to other activities I cant see what the problem is.

when asked about nanny salary being higher than other forms of childcare I've always pointed out that we are paid the same if we have 1 or 6 children where other forms of childcare charge per child"

If your pay is low then ask for a pay rise but don't bring the extra child into it just say that you have looked into the rate in your area and you feel you deserve a pay rise.

Your bubs is only young grobags - congrats btw :) hope all is going well apart from feeds but I would advise getting Into 2 then 3 then 4hrly feddi?g - to give you a rest if nothing else

Would you like me to send you a routine? And anything you want to ask /know let me know x

Four hourly feeds!! Blondes do you want to come and explain that to DD? Hourly in day unless asleep. .

OP
An inflatable floating seat for baby can be really helpful for swimming.

Pacey- to be honest I can see why and I don't think I would take two of my youngest swimming in a big pool at the same time...paddling pool, or older children is different!

ACM88 - which insurer? Bit worrying if they are starting to put in limits like that in PL insurance.

Pools certainly do have different rules. They also have different facilities. I love one of our local pools for when I have a baby in my care as they have a babyseat in each family changing room. They have quite a lot of family sized changing rooms, so makes getting everyone changed easier.

You adapt to what there is though, we have another pool which is much warmer but no babyseat, only a communal changing room. It is fine though, bit of a pain to change a nappy but you adapt and remember to bring a rollup changing mat.

It does vary at different pools, council rules etc.. Agree with most others opinion it is the family not number of children - so may or may not have pay increase , it could be an opportunity to have a chat about how things are going to be with two and see if salary is discussed then. Will the 2 year old be going to nursery for a few sessions in the next few months/ near future ? as I usually find it is good then to do something with the baby such as a swimming / playgroup/music. The second baby always easier in many ways and is quite happy going places with older sibling and watching. I had 3 under 4 and always had them ALL sleeping at the same time in the afternoon ! So could have some down time before round 2 started .. Loved that job though as never a dull moment or time to feel isolated . I personally don't like looking after one child long term ..

Just checked our local pool rules. It generally seems to be that anyone under 4 has to have 1-2-1 supervision. Because there are different pools, there are a bewildering range of ratios and also lessons have different rules but 1-2-1 for under 4s is generally how it averages out.

wont allow 2 under 1, ie twins

how strange diff pools have diff rules :)

Yes blondes- I was turned away just last Friday, and when I checked my insurance it said one only under three, we went to paddling pool instead!

really?? i have often taken 2 under 5 swimming, our local pool wont allow 3 under 8 but 2 is fine :)

I just wandered what about the activities you are concerned about? I understand swimming, and I think most places wouldn't allow two children under 5 to one adult (my insurance certainly doesn't) but the other classes will just require planning. Surely your 7yr experience will tell you that?

I'm not sure what your wage is now, are you happy to disclose?, so it's hard to say whether you should be paid more. If you are in west London, I would assume it's a healthy wage!

thats coz we all seem to be of the same opinion that a nanny should be able to cope with 2 children of these ages, and be able to cope with doing activites with both of them

but agree tis rare for all of us to agree :)

Wow, rarely have I seen such unanimity on a MN thread!

Blondes - ah maybe it's because I hate the 2am feeds! So always find 2hrs in day means no feeds needed between dream feed and 7/8am. Def peoples preference though

All the babies in perm jobs or night nanny ones I have I start with 2/3hrs and always go to 4 as soon as I can

Dream feed at 10/11 and then the 2am Runs to 34567am

Guess it's what works for the family

Op - sure it will all work out. Have you not ever looked after 2 small children before?

Of course you can do lots of activities with two! Some of the ones you currently do may not be possible but some will be. Otherwise you find new activities! How do you think mothers of several children manage? TBH, you are sounding a bit precious and as if you are looking for a justification for a pay rise. It also reads as if you haven't had any discussions with your boss about what she expect when child no 2 comes along. She may not want to continue swimming or she may just want oldest child to go to activities as usual while she stays home with baby on ML.

Ha ha op I do groups with four dc age 5 month twins a 23 month old and a just turned three year old. They are my own dc but still two would be a breeze.

I don't really understand the fuss with the classes. Gymboree and football can be done easily with two. Swimming is maybe more tricky, but just don't go?! Activities change as the children/family grow and develop. Find something else that you can do easily with both of them.

I agree with Blondes; mountain out of a molehill.

Baby can go easily to those classes.

Swimming cancel classes and go on own or find private instructor for eldest

Gym/ toddler groups etc just put baby in sling and can carry on as usual

Blondes - Iv yet to meet a baby on 4 hrly feeds these days. I always feed every 2-3 hrs 8am-11pm from birth, then nothing overnight after 8 ish weeks

As others have said nannies get paid per family not per child. I have one charge now but I get more for this position than I did for my last position of two children.

You might be lucky and get offered more money but I wouldn't bank on it!

Babies love to watch older children in a class!

Why won't you be able to take a baby and toddler? Do you think people with 2 or more never leave the house? Children are very adaptable and will go along with pretty much anything you want.

You can get them to nap at the same time. I have looked after up to 5 children, when the little ones nap, the older ones have quiet time in their rooms/playroom/wherever, while I get on with my chores or have a little quiet time of my own.

I have taken 4 under 2 swimming. Went every week. One almost 2 year old very water confident had float suit on, the other had arm bands, one baby (7 month old) swimming, other baby (4 months old) sleeping in the pram, when I switched babies, the two year olds sat on the side of the pool in the shallow end, but I faced them the whole time.
Second baby swam for 10-15 minutes, then went in the pram with older one, who by then was napping and I played with the two year olds for 20 minutes. I've also taken twins swimming a lot! You just have to be organised and have a good routine with them.

I have always had a pay rise when siblings came along, however most of the parents said it was an early/late yearly pay rise. For example, MB went back to work in September and I was due a pay rise at the beginning of November so I got my pay rise in September. My pay rises have always been on the generous side so I don't know how much was for the extra work!

As others have said nannies get paid per family not per child. I have

Not sure I'd have been happy to take a two year old and newborn swimming at the same time, if you don't feel it is safe then you need to tell the mother that. Otherwise parents take toddlers and newborn to classes all the time, newborn often sleeps in buggy/car seat. Is this your first nanny job out of interest? It seems odd if you've got 7 years experience that you've never looked after more than one child.

I have done swimming and Gymboree with a 18mth and 4/5mth with the baby sitting in buggy or car seat on the side

Then swapped and 18mth sat on side in towel with snack while baby sister went swimming

Gymboree also had a mixed family class in most areas

And if there are really things you feel you can't cope with both of them
Then cancel the class

I think you are making a mountain out of a molehill

And extra pay. I've always got a Payrise when a sibling came along but as nbee said nannies are per family not child and within 6mths or so older one will be doing nursery a few mornings