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Nanny net/gross pay nightmare - help me navigate this!

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MtnBikeChick · 05/07/2014 09:39

I have just hired a fantastic nanny. This is my first nanny. she works 38 hours a week for me over 3 days. She works the remaining 28% of her time for another family. She has worked for them for a long time. Nanny wanted to be paid £10 net. I said that was fine but we would need gross pay rate in the contract, and from day 1 explained that the weekly gross amount was designed to result in her earning £10 net per hour based on current tax rates etc.

Other family have historically had a net pay contract and things were a bit notch potch - random payslips, no nanny pay company, etc etc.

The other family are now using a nanny pay company (same as us) but NO ONE seems to be able to figure out how to manage the pay so the nanny gets what she is expecting net. We have no benefit of her tax free allowance (yet). To complicate matters, she will be ending her contract with the current family in a couple of weeks and not starting the new one until the Autumn. We are the main employer as we employ her 72% of the time, but over the summer will be the sole employer.

Nanny is getting cross because she is expecting to receive £380 net a week but right now she is getting less from us because we are paying tax on everything we pay her.

I am losing sleep and I am desperately worried I will lose my nanny.

Should I just change to a net pay contract?

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OutragedFromLeeds · 05/07/2014 12:31

Agreeing a gross contract is not tricky. It's easy peasy.

The tricky bit is changing people's mindset, as is evident from this thread!

colafrosties · 05/07/2014 12:01

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OutragedFromLeeds · 05/07/2014 11:21

That's even more reason to have a gross agreement cola!

Nannytax: Gross vs Net

Zest: Why it’s always best to “talk gross” when it comes to Nanny wages

Paye for Nannies: Net vs Gross

'However, as of April 2013 HM Revenue and Customs have made a fundamental change to the PAYE system.....As a result of these changes, we believe it is no longer possible for employers to effectively operate net pay agreements for employees. As we will not be able to exercise the same degree of control over tax codes and as all employee pay must be reported accurately to HMRC before it is given to the employee, your agreement with the employee will need to be in gross terms to avoid potentially serious anomalies occurring in individual cases which might then result in HMRC penalties.'

If you're going to be an employer you need to have at least a very basic understanding of what net/gross means and why nannies, like all employees, should be paid gross.

colafrosties · 05/07/2014 11:06

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OutragedFromLeeds · 05/07/2014 10:49

Nanny contracts are absolutely not always based on net pay. They absolutely should NOT be based on net pay.

Wilding · 05/07/2014 10:46

Nanny contracts are always based on net pay though, it's not unreasonable for her to want that from you. Your nanny tax company should be sorting out all the amounts etc though, that's what they're for!

OutragedFromLeeds · 05/07/2014 10:42

NO!

Your nanny needs to understand how the tax system works.

You should have agreed a gross wage from the start.

You need to work out what gross you can/want to pay and offer her that. It's up to her to resolve issues with the other employer. You can use 'MrAnchovy's tax calculator' to work it out (google it, I can't link on my phone). It's probably around 12ph gross.