Child minder can't child mind so offered nannying

I'm se but I'm temp /emergency as well as night nanny - a lot of my jobs are a day / few days here and there

Mat nurses are also se

So in 99% of the time nannies are employeds.
What's the 1% when they can be self employed?

Can't you pay a NWOC NMW and somehow deduct for the fact that they bring their own child, in the same way that a live in nanny earns less as they are getting the accommodation. I.e, she is effectively getting free childcare.

Seems the only solution is to either employ her at nmw so £6ish and your friend is likely to earn a bit more then being a cm if £4.50

Or find another cm at same price if that's the hourly salary you can afford

A NWOC can't be paid less then NMW. A new nanny just out of college could well be paid less than someone experienced. A nanny with own child may well accept less than they would get if they did not bring their own child (we have had several message threads about this in the past, not everyone agreed to what the reduction would be). Personally I expect a 25% discount is reasonable but if that pushes salary below NMW then that causes a problem.

So 7.50 could well be the going rate in an area for a NWOC, where as a nanny of similar experience without bringing their own child would be on around 10.00 Problem is, a childminder in the same area may be around 5.00 an hour. So it is more than a childminder would charge.

If you were to do a nanny share someone else would be sharing the cost, I don't know how this works but assume she is your employee but you then get to invoice other parent for their share. Could you do something similar with nanny, invoice her for caring for half the costs so you pay her minimum wage plus extra costs but she reimburses you part/half?

Do NWOCs really charge the same as a nanny without her own child? Or is the £7.50ph cost the going rate for a NWOC? If not, then surely a discount is in order given that she is effectively working but not having to pay childcare costs for her own child. Or you pay her the £7.50ph rate and then she in effect reimburses you for her childcare costs?

You see, I told you I knew nothing about it!

AWombWithoutARoof - nannies are in 99% of cases an employee, so that would not work. There are also very few expenses that could be offset if they were doing very ad-hoc nannying... see recent message thread: SE Nannying, what to claim back.

Alas there is no magic fix for that. You are quite right that it would mean that you would have to pay at NMW (which goes up to £6.50 in October 2014) and you would need to factor in payroll admin and employers national insurance, plus anything else required such as employers liability insurance which may not be included in your home contents policy.

A nanny share is unlikely to work as she would I assume be bringing her own DS to work with her (so a Nanny With Own Child) and thus if you found another family to share with she would be caring for children from 3 families at the same time... which then means childminder registration.

Sorry, no magic fix for this one.

Could you do a mix of nanny and grandparents/nursery if the sums work out for you?

I don't use a nanny, so maybe I'm missing something, but is there any way she can invoice you and work as a self employed person? She could still be called a Nanny on her tax return. Would that save you money? She'd then be able to write some of her expenses off against tax.

No magic fixes but just to say if she is caring for her child and yours, you will be unable to introduce a third child (share) as a nanny is only allowed to care for the children of two families at the same time, or their insurance won't be valid.