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Sacked the AP, atmosphere in house.

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BoffinMum · 24/04/2014 13:06

Just that, really.
Bit stressed.

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NomDeClavier · 25/04/2014 08:23

Oh boff :(

It does sound like he's a bit immature and sees APing as beneath him and frankly you don't need the aggro especially with GCSEs looming. Temp nanny sounds a good plan.

BoffinMum · 24/04/2014 22:09

Roseforme, there is some truth in what you say, I think.

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BoffinMum · 24/04/2014 22:08

We've had Spanish APs before and they weren't like this at all. This man will hardly let me speak without interrupting, accusing me of shouting at him, and being very accusatory. It doesn't matter if I am asking him to put a towel away or asking him why he is sleeping on the job. I reckon he is poor at planning, unused to picking up after himself, and actually does not really know how to sustain an effort at a job. I am sure he wouldn't have got through a PGCE here, to be honest.

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BoffinMum · 24/04/2014 22:03

ArtandCo, this was a regular agreement as one of the DCs has an appointment then, and he's been doing it for about 5 months. He just decided this week that while he is not always physically present at the times he is supposed to be working for me, because he feels like a lie down or wants to go out for some reason, even if I am paying him for that time, if I need 30 minutes at another point in the day I should pay overtime. That's simply not reasonable and why I have as they say, taken the 'ump.

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Roseformeplease · 24/04/2014 21:37

Some AP experience but this really relates to choosing "staff" in the hotel we used to own. If we employed highly qualified staff with degrees etc, very often they felt the job, even though it was just for the summer, was beneath them. They would tell off the full time, permanent staff as they felt anyone working full time in an hotel was probably stupid. One memorable one was given a job to do (say, wash a few pots) and would then immediately re-assign the job to someone else, often the person who had given her the job to do in the first place. However, those who genuinely valued the job, perhaps because they wanted a career in hospitality, worked harder and tried more.

I would hesitate to employ someone who though the job a "step down" ie teacher to childminder.

GreenMonth · 24/04/2014 21:29

I haven't found any of my Spanish au pairs to be in the least bit dramatic, no eye-rolling, gestures or hyperbole at all in fact. I'll admit that four isn't exactly a compelling sample size though, and I don't really like dramatic people so I probably subconsciously edited out the overly gushy ones, even if they were gushing in a positive way.

The one thing that I did find is that the northerners (one Basque and one Catalan) completely got the Irish sense of humour, dark and bitter like our Guinness, whereas the other two (Madrid and Seville) had to be eased into it somewhat. Also the two northerners found it easier to cope with the weather, the guy from Madrid had terrible recurring tonsillitis/sore throat when the weather was wet and the woman from Seville was always the wrong temperature and constantly putting on and taking off jumpers, I think she just wasn't used to the humidity here. I've occasionally long-listed people from the far South/Canaries but I strongly suspect that they would actually dissolve in the constant rain here.

FiscalCliffRocksThisTown · 24/04/2014 19:08

Are you normally good/aware of cultural differences?

Not saying you are not!

Just that the British can be a bit quick to find the way us continentals express ourselves "rude" .

My Spanish friends always speak with a bit more eye rolling, gestures and drama ( and using words like never and always), but that is not rudeness iyswim.

Artandco · 24/04/2014 18:56

Are you sure it's all him? Not being funny but some things you say indicate its probably both sides

Ie; if you were scheduled to work 9-12, didn't do much work as not needed, then was asked to work at 4pm for nothing, wouldn't you be a bit annoyed? They might have had other plans later etc, and surely it's not someone else's problem if work isn't there to do, doesn't he have children to watch/ pick up/ feed? If not maybe just hire a cleaner

BoffinMum · 24/04/2014 18:49

That's interesting GreenMonth. My best ones have with hindsight been refugees from the catering industry. Perhaps when people have worked long hours in hot places being yelled at, a bit of light hoovering and pootling down the park holds more appeal.

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GreenMonth · 24/04/2014 18:42

I've had a few teachers on my shortlist, but they've never made it past the Skype stage as they generally gave the impression that I would be lucky to have them because they were teachers. I'm looking for more of a big brother type who will play with the kids so usually end up with people who have studied non-child-related stuff but have worked in a summer camp or as a sports coach. I did have a au pair who had a masters in educational psychology, and while she was a very pleasant girl she didn't know how to just relax and join in with their play because she was used to directing play and using it to assess kids.

BoffinMum · 24/04/2014 18:21

Right, when I went up there to be nice as suggested, he started doing it AGAIN! So I said he had to leave with immediate effect, i.e. 9am tomorrow morning. He did look a bit shocked at that but he genuinely has no idea how rude he comes across, I think. he is like a much younger person. Is this a Spanish male thing, I wonder?

He then came up with a lot of waffle about me shouting at him, my bad tone of voice, him never getting a word in edgeways, I always rip him off, I never ... I always ... in the manner of a bad marital argument, with lots of eye rolling, interruptions and passive aggression at the same time. It really was like talking to one of my children on a bad day, except frankly they can be more reasonable.

I think the real issue is that he can be a bit lazy and slightly entitled at times (he tried to charge me £4 extra this afternoon for 30 minutes picking up one of the kids before his usual afternoon start time, when the only work he had done this morning out of his allocated three hours was empty the dishwasher - I basically told him I would do it myself and his services were not required at all from this point onwards if that was his attitude), but he equates anyone standing up to his nonsense and telling him off for anything as shouting at him, just as teenagers do. Only he is 24 and a qualified teacher. I am not sympathetic to that, and I certainly don't need that sort of nonsense in my house. The contrast with our last two au pairs is very striking - yes, they made mistakes, as we all do, but a sorry and a will try harder goes a long way in this sort of role.

I have offered to pay for his flight home, and for lots of luggage on Ryanair, and he leaves tomorrow. As a karmic gesture, I offered to take him and the boys out for a final dinner if he wants to go, so we part on reasonable terms. I also said if he gave passive aggressive backchat to future bosses in 'real' jobs, for example to a future head teacher, he would find himself out of a job fairly rapidly, so he needed to take on board what I was saying about the rudeness, for his own future wellbeing. He didn't quite believe me but I think he was aware somewhere in that gormless head of his that I was trying to give good advice.

Anyway, tomorrow is another day and I think we will both be relieved that this is all over. I think I will offer to take him to the station so he can get the train to the airport, and then move on with life.

I am tempted to get a temp nanny for 6-8 weeks to get us through the stress of eldest's GCSEs, if anyone knows someone looking for work.

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GreenMonth · 24/04/2014 17:04

What a pain, I can't stand sulkiness. My DC are very hard work and I think it would make me very stabby to have an au pair who was hard work too.

My current au pair is leaving in June, having been with us for a year. He's just so perfect that I begged him to consider staying until DS is ready for Uni (only another 9 years), but for some reason that was less attractive to him than getting a proper job and living with the girlfriend that he is besotted with. Grin

Blondeshavemorefun · 24/04/2014 15:55

yah for nice nanny shes my clone

i must rem to bill the lady i worked for the other month when she took me out for lunch and paid for it hee hee

im ok thanks :)

BoffinMum · 24/04/2014 15:18

How are you Blondes? Missed you!

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BoffinMum · 24/04/2014 15:17

Blondes, he was not at all bad, but he has now 'gone funny' as my mum would say. It happens.

He also billed overtime for coming along on a cinema trip with me and the kids, paid for by me, and eating my popcorn as well, as well as having a drink bought for him.

Slave driver, me. Wink You know how evil I am with these people.

In other news, Nice Nanny who was with us two years is having first baby very soon! Very exciting!

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FiscalCliffRocksThisTown · 24/04/2014 15:17

Sounds horrible.

Hope he leaves soon!

TheWomanTheyCallJayne · 24/04/2014 15:13

Sorry it wasn't a judgement
Read it in a sympathetic tone as I know all the ap problems live had

(I'm the metallic April one)

Blondeshavemorefun · 24/04/2014 15:07

oh boffy :( not more childcare hassles :(

thought this ap was a good one??

ffs billing overtime to eat a meal with you/your family Hmm

BoffinMum · 24/04/2014 14:17

why?

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TheWomanTheyCallJayne · 24/04/2014 14:14

Oh boff
I think you're not destined to have an ap

BoffinMum · 24/04/2014 14:12

Always best to aim for consensual departure. Saves bad karma in the end, trust me.

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ReallyTired · 24/04/2014 14:10

If he has been verbally aggressive then I think you are within your rights to kick him out of the house. It sounds like he was committed gross misconduct.

Prehaps if you are feeling kind you can book into a hotel for the night. I am not sure if you are legally obliged to. Prehaps its worth phoning ACAS to ask how you can shot of this "kevin" like au pair as soon as possible without breaking the law.

www.acas.org.uk/index.aspx?articleid=1461

BoffinMum · 24/04/2014 14:09

Ninja, that's actually a very good idea. I think he is in the shower so I will give it half an hour and then do exactly that.

Thank you.

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BoffinMum · 24/04/2014 14:08

Believe me I am tempted but I am following official guidelines here.
He was mildly abusive rather than really loud and horrid. Enough to get rid, but not enough to throw out there and then.

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TeenageMutantNinjaTurtle · 24/04/2014 14:08

Ok... so go knock on his door and gently ask him what he thinks about your email. Ask if he wants to stay for his notice or go straight away. Then book his flight home. Then you can all relax because you'll know when he's going!

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