nanny salary if she has her own children

RE insurance, mine would be invalid if I had the kids in my home, doesn't cover it, what good nanny in her right mind would take a child to her own home and risk an accident happening there which she would then not be covered for?

The huge panic is about insurance and undermining those of us who are legit nannies and childminders and who struggle to keep our roles seen as actual job roles rather than a ridiculous blur of "nanny/childminder/au pair/babysitter" and get paid according to our actual role (and defining those roles, as a girl who works with a toddler for 8 hours a day living in is certainly not an au pair and should be paid a nannies wage whether the family believe that or not).

I really really don't think despite the huge panic you get on mumsnet whenever this is mentioned anyone is too bothered. How would the local council know that the nanny happened to take the child in its home for one day? They don't have spy cameras glued to every home surely.

Juliet That's entirely different. Taking a child out doesn't change a nanny's job role, caring from her own home would mean that she needs to register as a childminder though, which is the problem here.

Ours used to take our two out a lot to other nanny friends and I did not regard that as her being a child minder on those days. We had one nanny who brought her first child and a year later her second which did get a bit much but 2 of our children were at school by then and she'd been with us a while (in total she stayed 10 years and left when baby no. 3 was coming).
Whilst we tolerated it it was much much worse than before she had her children. I would suggest finding someone without children.

Sorry to jump in with a odd question but this thread is sort of along the same lines.

What would you expect to be cheaper a childminder a nanny or a nursery?

Or does it not make a difference to the pricing

typo correction:

Why would you take on the responsibility of being an employer without gaining the benefits?

Setting aside the pay issue, this sounds like a very complicated arrangement. Why would you take on the responsibility of being an employee with gaining the benefits. For example, one of the benefits of having a nanny is that you can choose what activities your kids go to, what they eat, etc. It sounds to me like your kids are going to take a back seat to her kids' existing schedule (e.g. school run). What happens when yours, or hers, are ill? This is effectively a nanny share in which half of the children are hers. I'd reduce the pay by 40-50% for this. But, honestly, people hire nannies to make their lives easier, not harder.

When I had a 3 year old DD and a 1 year old DS, this is what our full time nenny did:

• Nursery run
• hung out with other mums/nannies with kids of similar ages.
• Took the kids to museums / beach in half term.
• All of the cooking (to my very strict nutritional requirements) for the kids
• The kids laundry
• Miscellaneous shopping (i.e. clothes) for the kids
• Took hem to activities I arranged (swimming, tennis, monkey music, etc.)

Is your "nanny" going to realistically be able to do this stuff? Is her parenting compatible with yours (e.g. will your 3 year old want to do the same stuff her 5 year old wants to do?)

You will absolutely need two separate contracts where the hours of each are clearly defined.

raspberry For a nanny WOC I'd say it's reasonable. I'm in Brighton and £10gross seems to be relatively good here. Even before/after school jobs are only £7-8ph net which is mad.

I don't think this is going to work, sorry. You will have to have 2 separate contracts, one for her 2 days as a nanny (when she is your employee) and one for her 2 days as acm (when you are not her employer - you are her client) As a cm she has to have all necessary paperwork in place for each child in her care.

This is a really difficult situation - 2 days out of 4 you are the employer and effectively call the shots - the other 2 days she is a self employed individual who can, within reason, do what she wants. Including taking on other children - how would you feel about that?

£10 gross in Sussex isn't particularly high for a nanny.
However £5/£6 per hour per child is the going rate for childminders where I am.

It depends on what she actually is ........

The cost should probably be whatever 2 x her hourly childminding rate is. (For me that would be 2 x £5 so £10 per hour gross) For her nannying hours then she is a nanny at that rate and has tax etc deducted at source by you/payroll company - for her childminding hours she is responsible for her tax etc on her earnings.

You would need to discuss everything very comprehensively first though - eg a nanny would be entitled to paid holiday, a childminder can set her own terms, so some charge for holidays, others don't. Also for the 2 days per week from her house as a childminder, she would probably be allowed to take on another 2 children, as the standard maximum number is 6 under 8 yr olds of which 3 can be under 5. If you don't want her to have extras then this is not actually your decision, if she is, at that point, your childminder not your nanny.....

I have worked as both and the relationship with parents is very different in each case, so being both to the same family would need a lot of working out.

I can see it being a tricky relationship to manage.

God, if only I were still looking! I get £10 gross in Lewes, it'll go up to £10.50 gross in my new job in the new year elsewhere in Sussex! I'd love £10net, that'd be nice, I don't even have my own kids to bring.

Thinking longer term as blondes suggests is a good idea. Whilst it may work now, would it work in a years time, or 5 years time? A great nanny can stay with a family for many years, so do consider what issues may come up in future and what, if anything you can do to minimise those. Time flies quick and it won't be that long till your eldest starts school... what happens then?

What made you feel you need a nanny? By having a nwoc are you compromising on the benefits of having a nanny? Is it worth seeing if anyone else will apply for the job?

Agree you need to decide if you want a nanny or a cm

Fine to have both but really need diff people

Working from home can cause difficulties but only if you don't lay down the rules - ie door shut mummy working - handy to have a lock on inside so kids can't open and barge in

Also if kids crying let nanny deal with it

If you were willing and happy and can afford £13 gross - good wage for exp nanny then I would look again and find a nanny who doesn't have kids or maybe just one as also have the complication of 2 school runs a week when ideally your 2 will just be waking up from a nap - plus homework

The 2 1yrs will need to have roughly the same routine and will your eldest be starting nursery soon and what happens if she did 9-3 and need picking up - how would this lady be in 2 places at once?

She may be lovely but I feel she needs to decide if she is a nanny or a childminder.

You need to decide if you need a nanny or a childminder.

Could you not just use her as a childminder all 4 days? Then you don't need to get involved with being the employer, though you do have to get your children to/from her home all 4 days and she won't be at your home to do the children's laundry.

As a childminder, how much does she currently charge her clients?

She will need to comply with law, as will you. It is not going to be simple but is possible. You will need to very clearly define the times she is providing you with a service as a childminder, and the times you are her employer.

Talk to a payroll company about the tax side of things. Your job may use all of personal tax allowance, so it may be fine. Though she will need to realise that when she does her childminding accounts she won't have her tax allowance to take into account.

Many nannies work when their employer works from home, it is possible to do, though does depend on size of house and ability for the parent to shut themselves away so they can't hear too much noise the children may make.

Please be very clued up on the legal side - childcare law, employment law in particular.

Will her mum really want to commit to taking her grandson to school every day? Many grandparents want a life of their own. Is this a new arrangement or something grandma has been doing for some time?

To me the whole set up sounds confusing and difficult and really not something I'd want to have. How will you know whether she is acting as "childminder" or "nanny"? I'm not an expert in childminding but they are expected to have lots of policies and procedures and these may not be as appropriate if she is nannying. What about insurance, car seats etc? Are you an employer or a service user? What about illness - hers, her kids or your kids?

If you need to work from home can't she just take the children out and about more on those days?

As always, whether £x an hour is good, bad or indifferent depends where you are and what local rates are like. As far as I can tell, that depends largely on property process, but there are anomalies. I suspect £5 an hour per child in the south east is a pretty normal CM rate. I wouldn't recommend muddying the water by having some sort of hybrid nanny/CM arrangement (especially using the same person for both roles) as you may have all sorts of issues and expenses you have npt anticipated (payroll costs, holiday and sick pay for example).

it seems more like a CM scenario to me, esp if the care is in her own home. I pay my CM £4.20/hr gross (per child) so I think £10 net is OTT.

So who would pay for your children's meals, activities, car expenses, etc. on the days that she works from her own home? Would she pay for these as she is effectively childminding on those days?

For that salary you could get a nanny without children who did all 4 days at your home and who does household duties in addition to childcare. So if £12-13 per hour was the budget you were looking at, look at other nannies. Don't get involved with complex things like 2 days nanny, 2 days childminder.

Sorry missed the part that she will be at hers for 2 days

Read it as for 2 days she would bring her kids iyswim

Makes mental note - must read threads properly

For 13 weeks a year she will be caring for 4 children all day of which 2 are her own and the remaining 39 weeks your DC will have to endure a school run before they actually need to and 2 days a week they won't even be in their own home. Nothing wrong with this if you are happy but I certainly wouldn't be paying out nanny rate of £12/13ph for what sounds like more of a cm set-up (unless getting a cm for your 2 will cost more than this).
Also logistics of not being in your home mean she surely won't be able to do any other nanny duties such as children's cleaning, laundry etc?