lazy nanny

Well, I am a late joiner to this thread, but riab, your anny has got to go! The reason I say this is that once your relationship with your nanny has broken down like this, it would be better for you to start again with someone new. And next time you will know what to write down in the job description.

So I think formal warning, but really what you are saying is that it is not working out and it would be better for both of you if she moved on.

kickassagel,
You might want to try out an au pair and nursery/childminder combination. You could get the au pair to do the laundry and cleaning (but don't expect terribly high standards) and take your DS to/from childminder. She could also do errands like grocery shopping and going to the cleaners, etc. This would cost you somewhere around £60/week plus the use of a car if you want her to run errands.

kissassangel
a childminder (like myself) are trained and have to be inspected by ofsted to meet standerds the same as nurseys, the different between a childminder and a nanny is that a nanny cares for children in the childs own home and a childminder looks after children in her home.
i was a nanny for 4yrs, then a nursey nurse for 12yrs i am now a childminder which works for me as my own children (ade 9 & 10) can be in their own home while i work.
as my standerds are high i do not clean/do jobs in my own home during my working hours i pretend i'm at 'work' and do my own jobs in the evenings/weekends this allows me to give 100% to the children i care for

have sat & done the maths, no not worth getting a nanny instead of nursery, but i am drooling at the thought of someone who not only takes dd out & about, but also tidies away toys & irons her clothes! suddenly i feel the desire to have twins, just so i can get a nanny to go with them!

riab - have only scrolled quickly through thread but I wondered whether you have hires a 'trained' nanny or just a person filling that role?

Also, in your list of jobs, there is no need to be sterilising bottles or making up milk for a 15 month old. That could reduce a bit of the workload?

btw, nannyl, i totally agree with you. i'd rather have a messy house & child, with big smiles at the end of the day, then a spotless child who'd watched loads of tv & got bored. going back to the original post, i'd sack anyone who thought 1 1/2 hrs of dvds was professional childcare!

ok, thanks. i always thought a 'nanny' was someone with high level of qualifications, wokred at your home, and some of the posher ones came with uniforms & hats etc! i also thought they cost around £20 k, PLUS live in.
It seems some people are being called 'nannies' who are what i would call child minders? not sure if there's a technical difference, but it seems to mean a difference in money. IMO, a childminder wouldn't, for example, take care of a sick child, but a nany would (if mildly ill), as nannies have more training, and are dedicated to your family alone.

Just found the annual survey of nanny salaries for 2005 (done by nanny tax / published in proffesional nanny magazine and as far as im aware the only survey of its kind)

Live-In Nannies

London: £314 net per week / £21573 gross per year
Home Counties: £278 npw / £18776 gross per year
Other cities: / towns £250 npw / £16612 gross p.y
Country: £354 npw / £16910 Gross

Daily Nannies
London: £399 npw / £28171 gross per year
Home Counties: £332 npw / £22971 gross
Other Cities / Towns: £293 npw / £19948 gross
Contry: £292 npw / £19863

As this was 2005 add about 3% for 2006

Employers contributions are then added on dependant o what the gross salary is.

Hope that clarifies things

(also nanny wages generally dont depend so much on the number of children... but do generally assume a 5 day day 8 - 6 (50 hour) week... so are more likely to go up and down depending on how many more or less than 50 hours per week the nanny works)

kickassangel.... sorry somehow i didnt read your post to me.... in my last post (that posted twice)

you didnt offend me.... (and i didnt mean to jump down your throat either... sorry) it was just you said swap cleaner and nursary for nanny.... so i assumed you would want nanny to be your cleaner!

You are right, i feel passionatley that nannies are not cleaners (but there are parents who dont quite understand this ).

A nanny will basically do anything associated with children, the clothes they wear, the toys they play with and the rooms that they use (mainly their bedroom / bathroom / playroom) and clean the kitchen after themselves when they have used it to make meals etc.... sweap under the dining table etc etc

(also for example on friday me and my 4 year old charge were outside scrubbing and cleaning the little tikes house outside and the sandpit and out-door / sandpit toys so they are all clean ready for the summer)

that in itself would be a big help to a working mum who sends the child to nursary.... cause all these things need to be done in the few preciouse hours you are at home with your child... giving you more quality time with your child / yourself!

Ok.... although i agree that im well paid im NOT paid that much more than other full time jobs...

also cost my boss £25k per year... thats includes MY tax and NI (obviously) + Their EMPLOYER NI that they also have to pay (which isnt part of my net pay)

Also Im qualified, experianced and I have a degree... and had 9 families fighting for me... when they knew i was leaving my current job as youngest starts full time school in september...

I agree that im paid a little bit more than avaerage.... but not that much more... but then i have a degree as well which is probably why...

One of my nanny friends is about to change jobs and she will cost her new employers about £27.5k per year!....

(we are both DAILY nannies)

Ok.... although i agree that im well paid im NOT paid that much more than other full time jobs...

also cost my boss £25k per year... thats includes MY tax and NI (obviously) + Their EMPLOYER NI that they also have to pay (which isnt part of my net pay)

Also Im qualified, experianced and I have a degree... and had 9 families fighting for me... when they knew i was leaving my current job as youngest starts full time school in september...

I agree that im paid a little bit more than avaerage.... but not that much more... but then i have a degree as well which is probably why...

One of my nanny friends is about to change jobs and she will cost her new employers about £27.5k per year!....

(we are both DAILY nannies)

I earn £24,000 a year and i'm live-in in London, But what you pay definately depends on where you are living and the age and experience of your nanny. Like Uwila said you can pay less for a nanny just starting out in their career who needs to gain more experience. I think if you can afford a nanny it's a great idea because i do lots of extra jobs and run errands to take the pressure of my boss .

No, £25k is not normal. That is what the very wealthy pay. You could get a live-in nanny with a little experience (couple years in a nursery kind of thing) for a little over half of that.

NannyL is very well paid. VERY

so, is £25 k per annum, a normal amount for a nanny? does it depend on hours, no of children, jobs etc? at that amount, for many people a nanny is cheaper than nursery etc if you have more than one child!

nannyl i really didn't intend to suggest that a nanny is a cleaner, it's just that looking at the list of jobs expected to be done by a nanny, which you deemed to be reasonable, it is MORE than my cleaner does! i wouldn't expect a nanny to clean up after me & dh, just the areas that dd occupies, but my cleaner does not have anything to do with preparing, getting in food, laundry or rubbish, just hoovers, mops etc after we've tidied up. it just occurred to me that anyone who was doing that much tidying up after dd would actually be cutting down on my current workload, so i could then do other bits of cleaning, e.g. nanny tidiess dd bedroom, so i have time to clean the bathroom, iyswim. it would also mean dd got 1-1 care in her own home, rather than going to a nursery.

once again if apologise if i caused offence, i obviously hit a raw nerve. i would appreciate it if you clairified my points in future, rather than jumping down my throat. i was genuinely surprised at the list of jobs expected of a nanny, i always assumed they 'purely' cared for the child - it had never occurred to me that a nanny might do ironing!

well thats fine then (and im not suggesting you dont).... its that kickassangel wants to swap nursary and cleaner for a nanny and nannies are NOT cleaners.... (with the exception of the childrens things)...

im suggesting to her that it is not a good idea and that she is very unliekly to find a proffesional nanny to be a cleaner as well ..... cause thats not what us nannies do!

riab.... sorry but NANNIES are proffessional CHILD carers..... we are NOT cleaners....

and you cant EXPECT a nanny to do your cleaning... and nor should you cause its NOT our job

kickass angel said she would get rid of cleaner AND nursary, and you can NOT expect a nanny to do the job of a cleaner.... becuase that is NOT what we are.

If you wanna sack the cleaner fine, then but expect to clean YOUR house YOURself....

BTW if you read down this post you will see that I quote MYSELF: "I would personally be embarrassed if when the parenst came back the house was a tip, the washing / ironing wasnt done, the dishes werent washed etc (that after all is my job and what im paid to do)

I pride myself in leaving an immaculate kitchen every night"

Its is a nannies to job to look after their CHILDREN..... which includes their washing and ironing.... and keeping a tidy playroom, childrens bedrooms and childrens bathroom (if different to parents bathroom).... also to tidy up after OURSELVES... thats it.

I stand by the fact that nannies arnt cleaners... we are proffesionals and thankfully most of our bosses treat us as such

my boss spendsover £3k per year on her cleaners too!

kissangel.... nannies are not cleaners..... we are proffesional CHILD carers.

I know i cost my boss over £25k of THEIR NETT salary + expenses + things like clubs and activities + 40p per mile.... and i drivethe children around about 150miles per week. 9cause they live in the middle of nowhere)

Most people who employ a nanny have a cleaner as well.... at least everyone ive ever worked for, and all my nanny friends 'families' as well.

I most certainly would NOT work where i was expected to clean.... to nannies your home is our office.... and how many people are prepared to clean their office?