All these unregistered people...

I haven't done safe guarding or paediatric first aid and my DCs and your DCs and all the friends DCs who come to play at my house and your house have done just fine.

A nanny is not superior in terms of childcare. There are fantastic nannies and childminders. Good nannies and childminders. Not very good nannies and childminders. Terrible nannies and childminders.

A nanny does offer more in the way of 'extras' though. As well as providing an 'exclusive to you' service. That's why they're more expensive.

I would love to be an independent childminder. I would still ensure I had first aid training - to me it is a life skill and not just for working with children. I would still do lots of fabulous things with the children but I would have more energy and less stress because I wouldn't be worried whether I had the correct paperwork in place.
As for not being insured if a mindee ran in the road was killed - if my child was killed in a car crash I would not be thinking about compensation.

don't judge all childminders by these two Caitycat, and also don't assume you are getting something superior from a nanny just because you are paying more!! Sick of hearing people talk about childminders as the last option. All the childmindrs I know are very experienced childcarers who are dedicated to the children in their care.

The two you've seen don't sound great - don't know any cms personally who give only toast maybe she phrased it wrong? sounds odd... and i wouldn't have any carer for my dc with a dog but that's personal preference i guess.

keep looking at registered cms and please don't use someone unregistered for all the reasons RosieGirl has mentioned.

You could try a nanny-share OP? Still more than a childminder probably, but about half the cost of a nanny. If you don't mind sharing with a family who have more than one child you could even be paying 1/3, which would probably be about the same as a childminder.

I'm not saying they shouldn't be registered. I'm agreeing with lechat's suggestion that registration should be CRB, first aid, insurance, safety check and some basic training like it is for nannies. No requirement to be graded by Ofsted or to do any paperwork. Childminders who want to provide an enhanced service could apply for Childminder+ status.

People like the OP would be trusted to determine whether the person in question is doing a good job of looking after their child without government interference. It works for nannies, I don't understand why it wouldn't work for childminders.

Outraged, its illegal, wrong and dangerous. I was not joking, when only 2 weeks ago this woman, was gossiping about how stupid the child was, she actually said, "she could have been killed". She has lots of other children and no one can pull her up, question her, ensure she is keeping it safe and LEGAL. She has been reported, but denied it to OFSTED she was minding and nothing else happened. As I said I also know she runs another business at home, regularly posting what she is doing on facebook, during the day. I am sure there are many well meaning people that do it, thinking its not a problem, but it is.

If you want to make money looking after other peoples children, register.

Its a totally different thing if you use family and swap arrangements with friends as they are not looking to make money and take on more children.

Looking after your own child, is a totally different.

I am a registered CM and confess to providing toast at lunchtime, but it was alongside Irish stew. Keep looking OP, you will find the right person.

' Non of these unregistered ladies (refuse to call them childminders) will have paediatric first aid, insurance, have to have their homes checked, safeguarding or be up to date on current childcare needs and issues'

How do you know this? Anyone can do a first aid course, you don't need to be registered to do one. They may not have their homes checked, but this doesn't mean they are unsafe. There are literally millions of parents bringing up their children in un-checked homes. I'm not sure what kind of childcare needs and issues you mean? Agree with you that they probably won't have insurance though.

'2 tier systems wouldn't work, as these women still wouldn't be bothered to do a first aid or get insurance or do safeguarding'

Yes it would if they implemented they system lechat suggests.

'Oh and with regards to nannies, they are still CRB checked, have insurance,'

Only the Ofsted registered ones and there is NO requirement for nannies to be registered with Ofsted. It is quite possible to be a nanny without being CRB checked or having insurance.

Also unregistered minders should be reported to social services coz as far as I can remember they r breaking the law

Please don't use an unregistered minder. If could be a disaster. If u can't get a registered minder a nanny would seem to be an option. I did this after a depressing fruitless search for a RCM and never regretted it. Just make sure u get genuine refs. If the women u speak of really cared about children's welfare they wouldn't care about the paperwork

I wouldn't have anyone who isn't registered. They won't have all the safety measures, or the insurance and possibly not up to date first aid.

Oh and with regards to nannies, they are still CRB checked, have insurance, most nannies now do training, have a proper contract and work from parents homes where parents already know it is safe. AND also will pay tax and NI.

You have answered your own question.

You want you child to be safe and happy..... Non of these unregistered ladies (refuse to call them childminders) will have paediatric first aid, insurance, have to have their homes checked, safeguarding or be up to date on current childcare needs and issues. You would have no rights to ensure everyone on the premises 16 or over is checked and as you would have no contract, no comeback if anything should go wrong or you are in dispute over hours, money or care arrangements.

DONT go for someone unregistered.

2 tier systems wouldn't work, as these women still wouldn't be bothered to do a first aid or get insurance or do safeguarding. If they can't be bothered to get registered to undertake the importance of looking after the most important thing in the world, what else can't they be bothered to do. You can be a basic childminder and not worry about too much paperwork as long as you aren't bothered about your OFSTED grading.

A local unregistered woman, was spouting off at the school gates about how one of her "charges" stupidly ran into the road while walking home from school, after shouting at her to stop. Accidents may happen, but she wouldn't be insured or have first aid knowledge if a child was injured. I know she does a secondary home job while children are there and doesn't pay tax or NI as you will have to if you start work.

I think that's a fantastic idea lechat. Nannies don't need to do any of the paperwork, so why we can't have a 'nanny who works from their own home' type option I don't know.

Yes I agree the paperwork does put some people off registering altogether when actually some (most?) parents would probably be happy with the basics as you say. Maybe a 'childminder' & 'childminder plus' approach would be more suitable ie everyone has basic 1st aid , safeguarding etc but only the 'plus' CM's need to cover eyfs