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Outings and expenses, not sure what is expected.

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timeforteaagain · 22/08/2012 18:12

We have moved area/home and have employed a new nanny for our two toddlers. The previous home was in a town with at least a tots group or activity for every day within a reasonable walk (buggy required) so the previous nanny always walked everywhere. That said she had very little inspiration for doing anything fun with the children so the eldest got a little bored and disruptive.

Our new area in also in town with a daily group/activity to go to with a walk although rather slowly unless the buggy is used! The new nanny has issues with no car at present so has use of our family car during the day. So far the children seem to go out in the car every day that the nanny has been. They don't use the local area much and I appreciate that it is the hols so groups are disrupted by this. That said we have a couple of parks round the corner. The nanny seems to take the children away out of town possibly to an area familiar to her. She has also started to request money to pay for entrance fees to zoos, theme parks etc but at £25 for her entrance plus pos the same for the eldest (yougest would be free) this is getting more than I can afford. Essentially my money covers the nanny wages and essentials with only about £100 left for me. I am quite worried about the expected expenses in addition to the petrol costs of using our car every day. Obviously our last nanny only spent on tots groups etc so was fairly cheap!!! Our new nanny is great and has lots of energy/initiative. She has initiated playdates with friends children etc which is good for our children in a new area. Am I fight to be concerned with 1) use of areas away from our home, 2) heavy use of the family car and 3) expenses seem costly.

I am new and inexperienced at employing a nanny so some helpful insight would be appreciated!

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nannynick · 22/08/2012 21:27

fluffygal See HMRC: Travel, look at first 10,000 business miles, cars/vans 2011/12. You don't have to pay 45p per mile but the cost of running a car is very high and 45p per mile may not cover the costs involved (once you add in fuel, insurance, servicing, mot, roadtax, cost of vehicle, children's carseats).

I track fuel I use and in 2008 it cost me an average of 10p per mile for fuel. In 2012 it's now averaging around 13p per mile. So the fuel part is quite small, it's the cost of the vehicle, insurance and servicing which are the big costs I feel.

If it helps with your budgeting, I do quite a lot of work miles. My typical annual claim is around 3000 miles - we walked to school/nursery most of the time, so that figure does not include school/nursery run.

nannynick · 22/08/2012 21:19

Set a weekly budget. You could pay a set amount each week and if they wanted to do something costly, they could save up most of a weeks budget and combine it with the following weeks budget.
Have a mileage log for all trips in the car, so you get a feel for how far they are travelling.

For the weekly budget... £5-7 per day may well be sufficient. Consider how much things cost - a trip to a park / woods isn't always cost free (especially if there is an ice cream stand at the park). As you found with your previous nanny, children can get bored doing the same thing all the time. However they also quite like repeating things they found they do like - I find the children I nanny will request repeat visits to museums they have liked, parks/playgrounds.

Some parks are better than others... even your children will say that I expect. I get requests to take the children I care for to the "curlywurly slide park" - it's not our nearest park, it involves a drive, but it has a slide that goes round and round, which is not that common in our area these days.

As nbee says, annual pass for a local themepark can be very handy as if going frequently the cost per visit drops a lot. Our local themepark is designed for under 10's I would say and has great playgrounds inside it, as well as puppet show, stunt diving show (guessed where it is yet?), trains and aquarium.

Set budgets and set expectations. Give them suggestions for local places to go, it's hard to find places when you start working in a new area so you tend to go back to places you have been in the past.

How old is your eldest? They may be at an age where they want to see things like Castles, Aeroplanes, Trains, Dinosaurs... whatever takes their fancy. If you don't fancy doing those sorts of trips out at the weekend yourself, then having your nanny do it during the week saves you the trouble of doing something you don't want to do. Not saying you don't want to do those things at weekends but some parents are not keen on going round museums, but your nanny might be.

Does your nanny absorb any of the cost themselves? As a nanny I tend to work to a budget but if we exceed the budget it comes out of my money. I pay for my own themepark annual pass, parents pay for the children's. If going on a long car journey, I don't claim full mileage - only claim 1/3, which I feel represents the petrol I use. Some nannies (and parents) may feel that nannies should be claiming all costs incurred... however over the years of working for various famillies I have found that if I did that, we wouldn't do as many things, wouldn't get to explore the country we live in.

fluffygal · 22/08/2012 21:14

Where does 45p a mile come from? Just curious as to why that is what you pay a nanny? I am currently looking into getting a nanny and petrol costs haven't come up yet other then one saying she would pay her own petrol to activities.

timetosmile · 22/08/2012 21:08

I think some good advice above, but it may be worth gritting your teeth for the rest of the month, and then seeing what happens as the toddler groups get back into full swing in September.

If she's still keen on the longer distance/expensive trips, it may be worth being upfront, and explaining that you simply can't afford nanny fees and multiple admission fees as well.

My nanny does more 'trips' in the holidays, as she's keen to take the older school aged ones out for a treat too, but in term time there's a lot of gambolling through local parks with a hot chocolate at the end, or football, or free end of aisle box collecting in the Co-op and subsequent transformation into rockets/trains etc etc.

timeforteaagain · 22/08/2012 21:02

Thank you for your replies. LongJane - I have a hubs whose salary pays for all of the household expenses and groceries. My salary must cover the nanny as we don't have any further finances from his salary. I basically had to go back to work to maintain my career and in another year of re-quals my salary will be enhanced (and kiddies going to school) so just got to get through this!!.

I think a kitty would be a good idea, but what amount would be an acceptable amount? The groceries are all done by us so it would be for childrens activites or creative bits and bobs.

I think a chat is on the cards to lay down the ground rules as such so this has given me some ideas of cost saving and car rules. I like walking and would like my girls to do the same Smile

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nbee84 · 22/08/2012 20:27

You are quite within your rights to set a budget for the kitty and tell your nanny that you expect her to seek out some low cost or free activities. Parks, woodland walks, libraries are all free and Surestart centres (if you have one near you) will have low cost activities. Things like theme parks and zoos should be agreed with you before being arranged and should be a once or twice treat during the school holidays. If you have a fairly local attraction that is fairly expensive on a one off visit have a look at the web site and see if they have an annual pass. We have a farm pass and what would cost £18 per visit costs us about £1.50 a visit with an annual pass as we go nearly every week.

Re petrol - you'll actually find it works out cheaper for her to use your car (presuming she's not really young with a sky high premium for her to be on your insurance) as when she does start using her car you will be paying up to 45p per mile for any outings. Again, you are quite within your rights to ask her to stay local, walk if the weather is good and it's not too far, and to ask her to get your approval for trips over a certain mileage and to limit long trips.

longjane · 22/08/2012 19:39

right you do need a kitty fund
you can buy season tickets to places so you can go again and again

you can find when the groups classes start again and book your kids into them

when nanny get own you have to 45p a mile for petrol when she uses for nanny stuff
but if you dont want her to use a car say so
are you on your own
cant your husband pay some of the costs . child care costs should be share if you are together