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Deregulation of the Early Years workforce

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Italiana · 07/08/2012 14:18

Article in Nursery World and letter from Gove to Ofsted make clear the whole workforce is to be deregulated not just c/ms !!!

www.nurseryworld.co.uk/.../Gove-signals-further-moves-towards-deregulation

media.education.gov.uk/.../secretary%20of%20states%20letter%20to%20her%20majestys%20chief%20inspector%20ofsted.pdf

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Italiana · 12/08/2012 11:09

Since 2008 the EYFS has been a Statutory framework with the Development Matters being the supporting Guidance...nothing has changed so where is the confusion?

The EYFS 2012 remains statutory and Development Matters has been redrawn cutting the Early Learning Goals from 69 to 17 in addition we now have supporting documents to do the 2 year old progress check

My meeting with E Truss was interesting as we listened to her ideas and gave our ideas too...we have been asked to get back to her after reflecting on this...I look forward to another meeting soon.

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HSMM · 12/08/2012 10:56

And apologies if it's a duplicate of a previous link ... I'm losing track

HSMM · 12/08/2012 10:53

Ooh! It did do the link

HSMM · 12/08/2012 10:52

m.nurseryworld.co.uk/article/1144187/Gove-signals-further-moves-towards-deregulation?bulletin=nurseryworldupdate nursery world article today. Sorry my phone won'tdo the link

stomp · 12/08/2012 10:48

Italiana said 'Yesterday I had a meeting with Elizabeth Truss MP who advocates the 'agency' model...very interesting indeed!! '

Please share what was said Smile

stomp · 12/08/2012 10:46

Italiana mentioned statutory guidance, i'm not aware of it. The Non Statutory guidance is the Development Matters materials. The statutory framework is not guidance. I'd love to see where that link might go to Smile

MaryPoppinsBagsGold · 11/08/2012 18:31

I have not received that letter! I will get in touch with them. Thank you.

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Italiana · 11/08/2012 17:12

The individual letter to all c/ms was sent in August but not on website obviously listing all the changes 'from Sept 2012'
Another one will follow in Sept which will remove 'Conditions of registration' then the certificate will follow
If you have not received it call Ofsted

here are the latest publications all July 2012 except the one with the chnages about 3 year old funding

www.ofsted.gov.uk/resources/factsheet-childcare-numbers-and-ages-of-children-childminders-may-care-for

www.ofsted.gov.uk/resources/using-early-years-evaluation-schedule-guidance-for-inspectors-of-registered-early-years-settings-req

media.education.gov.uk/assets/files/pdf/s/statutory%20guidance.pdf

www.ofsted.gov.uk/resources/conducting-early-years-inspections

Hope it helps

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MaryPoppinsBagsGold · 11/08/2012 14:53

What information sent to me? When was it sent?

nannynick · 11/08/2012 14:43

Please Italiana, when you say things are in a document, please can you link to it, or provide the document reference number. There are lots of documents it could be in, so which one specifically?

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Italiana · 11/08/2012 13:51

47 months is the new time limit...not 3 years...see ofsted documents recently released with this info

No way we are to be inspected once after registration..we never were...no document says that and you need to update your information

Inspections will be graded...the bit about met/not met is to do with your grading (meeting Welfare requirements etc etc)

Tribal are commissioned by ofsted, they are a private company
Under an agency the 'agency' will be inspected by Ofsted but because it will be one agency inspected it saves pots of money but we lose 'individual grades'

The agency will have to provide evidence that those belonging to it are practising high quality, training and also evidence CPD...in a few words the agency will have to give us a lot of paperwork to prove that, they may dictate our fees, take a percentage which may be used to provide training, do home visits maybe and...unless I am wrong they also get the c/vouchers as we will not be able to get those any more as we are deregistered from Ofsted

This is the reality of deregulation...sorry but you need to read the info sent to you and prepare...September is 3 weeks away !!!!
Are you ready for your inspection??

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nannynick · 11/08/2012 13:25

MaryPoppins - thats how I read the legislation. However no idea if I'm right or not. They could add things to EYFS and other documents. I think its early days, at this stage we don't know all that they are changing.

Maybe the inspection before Aug 2016 won't be graded but instead be a met/not met with Actions.
Removing the legal responsibility for Ofsted to do the inspections may not remove inspections. It may just mean that a non-government company could do inspections instead. Tribal already do some inspections for Ofsted.

MaryPoppinsBagsGold · 11/08/2012 12:26

My point is that if CM aren't to be inspected every 3 years. But just inspected once after registering. (Is that what will happen? Did I read that right up thread?)
It makes grading pointless. As you have no way of improving.

nannynick · 11/08/2012 12:17

where do you get 47 months from?

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Italiana · 11/08/2012 10:43

I have never heard anything like this before...it is confusing and untrue, you get the grade you are judged at each inspection ....now way you are stuck at Satisfactory if practice improves the same way you may drop to good if practice not outstanding
Inspections are now every 47 months unless practice is inadequate

Yes the agency would be graded that is why we must fight against it...do the NCMA survey and Childcare Commission and express your views
Deregulation has started but we can still have a say...as a colleague has said the train is leaving the station...be sure you are on it!!!

Plenty of documents on DfE and Ofsted website about all the changes coming in September and c/ms are getting individual letters too...don't put at bottom of your pile.

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nannynick · 11/08/2012 10:01

How useful is grading? Do parents understand the differences between satisfactory, good, outstanding? Someone could be a very high good but not get quite enough marks to get Outstanding - is that Fair?

Surely someone either meets the legal requirements or they don't.

As far as I am aware there is no information about what happens about grading. The 'agency' - which could be a local authority early years department - would be inspected and graded.

MaryPoppinsBagsGold · 11/08/2012 09:52

If Ofsted only inspect once after registration - are they doing away with the Satisfactory/ Good/ Outstanding gradings?

As a new CM I was told at my Registration visit that I would only probably get a satisfactory grading. And that you work towards improving to good/ outstanding.

It seems unfair to be stuck with a Satisfactory/ Good forever more when you could work up to an Outstanding under the old system.
Likewise it is unfair that existing CM could keep their outstanding grading forever more and could just coast along not making much effort.

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Italiana · 11/08/2012 06:54

I am a bit worried that after all this time people are still asking what 'deregulation' is about?
For some it may be welcomed as freedom from red tape and pressure from all sides but for your own business it will be disaster.

Who wants an agency telling us how to run our business, how much to charge, how many kids to take and parents being referred to you rather than you as c/m choosing who you do business with????

In the end it is all to do with money and that is what is driving deregulation alongside shot termism ...
Guessing in this forum as in others will not help...

In case someone missed it Gove has put us in Phase 1 of deregulation...no one knows what it means because he has taken a single minded decision....

Get involved, sign the e-petition, sign the one on the Labour Party and write to your MPs to object to the Gove decision while the Childcare Commission is still live....which means he has not even got the curtesy to wait for us to respond

Yesterday I had a meeting with Elizabeth Truss MP who advocates the 'agency' model...very interesting indeed!!

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MrAnchovy · 11/08/2012 00:00

I think you are reading too much into it - although a number of people have some pretty strong prejudices I don't think there is a fully formed secret policy with an implementation timetable.

What has clearly already been decided is that too much money is currently being spent on inspections which are of dubious value. Extending the inspection cycle from three to four years implies a reduction in the annual cost of one third.

So I think the only significance of 1 August 2016 is that it is four years after 1 August 2012.

Of course there will be a lot more changes that come in before 2016, but this change is presumably enough to help Ofsted balance its inspeciton budget against the savings that have been imposed upon it, and it is probably important that it is able to do that prior to the Chancellor's Autumn Statement (late November) - the changes to be proposed following the recommendations of the Childcare Commission will take a lot longer than that.

stomp · 10/08/2012 22:41

Yes an interesting idea that it could be the 1st August 2016, but that date is a long way away, and its not like the government not drag its feet is it? if they want to deregulate the childcare workforce they surely will be moving on this sooner?
thanks nannynick

nannynick · 10/08/2012 21:10

Sure I don't mind Stomp. What's the interesting idea? 1st August 2016 is possibly an interesting date... maybe it will be the date when the agency model takes over monitoring providers.

stomp · 10/08/2012 11:29

nannynick do you mind if i quote you on another forum? we are all wondering what deregulation will mean- if it happens- and you've put forth a interesting idea.

maples · 09/08/2012 22:12

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Italiana · 09/08/2012 22:05

EYFS is a bit of a burden at times but it ensures accountability and rising standards....for those who have chosen childcare as a profession it is evidence of knowledge and professionalism

There is a diffenrence between deregulation and legislation...when deregistered from Ofsted we will still need to deliver EYFS without Ofsted inspections but still work under EYFS legislation...complicated ?
ask the govt or better still respond to the Childcare Commission...parents' views are pricelss!!!

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