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Proposed deregulation of childminders

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Italiana · 20/05/2012 13:54

The Department for Education and Ofsted are in discussion with the National Childminding Asociation (NCMA) about the proposal to 'deregulate' c/ms. This may lead to c/ms falling under the umbrella of an agency and losing the right to be individually inspected by ofsted. C/ms are very worried about issues of safeguarding and quality of care.
This has been reported in the media by the Daily Mail and The Guardian last week.

C/ms have started a campaign led by the NCMA against deregulation: 'Individual Inspections Matter' which can be found on their website www.ncma.org.uk. A survey of c/ms has found out that 85% want to remain regulated and equally recognized along other providers. C/ms in each area are campaigning many with petitions and approaching their local MP

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Tanith · 25/06/2012 11:44

It's this message, I feel, that we need to get out there. A lot of childminders aren't that worried about not having OFSTED to regulate them: it's only 12 years ago that we were regulated by Social Services.

A daycare nursery chain here is busily buying up the nurseries in Children's Centres: they already own one Children's Centre and are talking on their website about supporting childminders. That really concerns me.

Quite apart from the fact that a private nursery chain is benefiting so hugely from the masses of money that was used to set up the facilities at the Children's Centre for the community! Angry

Italiana · 24/06/2012 09:31

At the start of this we knew the DfE, Oftsed and NCMA were in discussion...now we are aware that many other organizations are involved...the PLA (Pre school Learning Alliance) and NDNA (National Day Nursery Association) and believe you me they are very vocal....

It has also come out that deregulation is not just going to be affecting c/ms but others in the Early Years workforce as reported in the media by those interviewed.
NCMA started the campaign but c/ms are doing a lot themselves in their areas...we are very active in mine as we have contacted our MP and written dozens of letters!
In the end it will be our personal input and campaign that, hopefully, will be heard.....any discussions taking place MUST involve c/ms themselves and not just the big associations..

As for being regulated by an agency or even a day nursery...I think that many, actually most c/ms will probably choose to leave the profession than lower themselves to that...so we must keep on fighting to stop it from happeneing in the first place!
A day of action is what we are thinking about....

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timetomind · 23/06/2012 22:03

As a childminder I am wondering why the discusion is with N.C.M.A They are not the ruling body of childminders, although they would like to think to they are. I left the association a few years ago and on my last inspection even the ofsted inspector was impressed by the exceptional standard of my new insurer (she was aware of the company I am with but not of their range of support and rescorces).
N.C.M.A are pushed on to us by early years when we register, and no alternative given.
Perhaps if all were given all the facts and real choices parents could actually get the care they want for their children.
Parents choose childminders because they want family based child care, not nursery care, I have nothing against nurseries but it is not everyones choice, that is why we are here. Not to be an extension of a nursery.
Too many changes over too short a time. We have just got to grips with the last change, a new one in september now this.
Let us do what we do best and what we love to do, care for your children as you would yourself.
Happy children means happy parents, my job is done.

jhe · 22/06/2012 18:05

as a childminder i do not want to be regulated by an agency, we have worked hard to be accepted as professionals, i do not want a local nursery telling me which clients to accept. I worked as a nanny for 30 years and before that as an au-pair, they work in the parents home, do not have to be trained at the moment. Many nannies do have training but ofsted only requires first aid. childminders have to be trained and do ongoing training every year. If we were deregulated many childminders would stop working. Anyone I have talked to has said they would open up nurseries or go on the dole. Please support us and your childs development by signing the petition.

PaulaMummyKnowsBest · 19/06/2012 21:01

Until all of the local nurseries have "outstanding", I don't want them telling me anything about how to run a successful childcare business.

morethanpotatoprints · 19/06/2012 17:09

Surely if nurseries are going to inspect childminders, the nursery nurses themselves should have decent qualifications, training and experience. Never yet met a Nanny MCPhee, Mary Poppins type so mine never went, horrible places. Can you believe that young people are encouraged to take childcare at school and college when they are not capable of taking academic quals. I have friends who teach childcare.

Italiana · 23/05/2012 22:23

Thank you for signing the petition...please please forward the link to your friends, parents of children you care for, on Facebook, Twitter, school teachers, anyone you can think of...!!!

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bubblepops · 23/05/2012 22:08

direct link

yeah it worked, very proud of my none computer skills!

bubblepops · 23/05/2012 22:01

use the link from Italiana above you :)

I have signed and also took the time to do the NCMA survey. I for one want things to stay as they are! All my parents use vouchers and I take pride in my grade!

maples · 23/05/2012 21:05

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Italiana · 23/05/2012 19:45

I have posted the link to the e-petition to reject the proposal to deregulate c/ms in another post.
Here it is for those who wish to sign up

www.change.org/petitions/uk-government-reject-proposals-to-deregulate-childminders
Thank you

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Tanith · 22/05/2012 08:06

My excuse is illness rather than complete disinterest, you understand Wink

Tanith · 22/05/2012 08:04

I do :)
Sorry - ill in bed with high temp

Italiana · 22/05/2012 07:43

Do you mean Sir Michael Wilshaw? he is the Ofsted Chief Inspector and very close to Michael Gove, the education Minister!

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Tanith · 22/05/2012 05:16

Is anyone else alarmed at how poorly informed Sir Richard appears to be?

He's head of OFSTED. All he needs to do is read his own organisations documents to know how many childminders achieved good or outstanding since EYFS was introduced (so we're actually coping fine); and that all new childminders are inspected, not an inspection necessary every time we take on a new child.

He doesn't appear to know his actual from his proverbial, does he?

Dozer · 21/05/2012 22:07

I completely agree maples, but he MP's proposals sound like more/different regulation than less.

maples · 21/05/2012 21:41

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nannynick · 21/05/2012 21:22

Found a Dutch childminders own website should anyone fancy a look. Planning & Rates page is worth a look... seems that this particular childminder cares for 4 children and does not work at all on a Wednesday. $5 Euro an hour.

Dozer · 21/05/2012 21:09

It would be interesting to know how much the administration of the Dutch system costs - and who pays - in comparison with the current ofsted arrangements here.

Dozer · 21/05/2012 21:07

I don't see how the new agencies would provide oversight or prevent fraud, it is not explained.

They would clearly cost money and it seems to be proposed that parents / childminders pay.

nannynick · 21/05/2012 21:06

Has anyone taken a look at one of the Dutch agencies? The one mentioned in the Affordable Quality document is mrnosey.nl (link will attempt translation to English)

Dozer · 21/05/2012 21:05

Lafata, the think tank piece does suggest that, and that these people would not have to be part of the agencies, but wouldn't be allowed to accept the (changed) vouchers.

The vouchers have already been frozen / removed for many.

I would be aggrieved at any changes that increased regulation or expenses for carers and / or parents.

nannynick · 21/05/2012 21:03

In the Addorsable Quality document, it says


This agency oversight is important to ensure quality and protect against 
fraud where government funding is  being used. At the same time it should 
be made easier for parents to use their own money on effective informal 
arrangements.  If parents wish to pay neighbours or friends using their own 
money they should not be barred from doing so as they are at present (if that 
individual is not Ofsted registered).  
The UK should follow arrangements in places like Ontario where childminders 
looking after fewer than five children ? ?independent? family daycare ? are 
unregulated but unable to receive state subsidies. However, to ensure 
the child?s safety anyone being paid to look after children should undergo a 
Criminal Records Bureau check.

~~~ End Quote ~~~

So yes LaFataTurchina it may mean that a friend can be paid - but not using government funding.
LaFataTurchina · 21/05/2012 20:26

Will the deregulation mean that you can now pay say a family friend/neighbour etc. to look after your children regularly without it being illegal?

Because, that I think would be a good thing for most people.

However, I can see that it would make things difficult from a safeguarding perspective. Hmm...