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The Curse of Boff strikes again - this nanny has decided after a fortnight in post that petrol is too expensive

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BoffinMum · 18/05/2012 12:10

New nanny started two weeks ago, all going well, but then she resigns out of the blue.

This time, the cost of petrol and her 50 mile commute is blamed. She said she hadn't thought about that before taking the job.

I had a 'WTF???' moment as she was specifically asked about this at interview and by the agency.

Agency is being super and they are cross with her for messing us about, and they think she is being wimpy. So do I. She works 47.5 hours a week, so it's not as though her hours are mental for a nanny, either.

Sad[cross]

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ChippingInNeedsCoffee · 31/05/2012 18:50

ON did you say? Bugger.

BoffinMum · 31/05/2012 18:49

As soon as he gets his shorts on. Wink

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ChippingInNeedsCoffee · 31/05/2012 18:49

Boff - so nannies don't have tax, childcare, commuting costs? We are comparing gross with gross here - not gross after whatever...

You are suggesting nannies should have a gross wage of £16-£18k. Gross wage.

ChippingInNeedsCoffee · 31/05/2012 18:47

Now - what time is this Skype being set up for?

Grin
BoffinMum · 31/05/2012 18:46

In fact many of my postdocs earn around that amount of money as well, thinking about it.

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BoffinMum · 31/05/2012 18:44

I do.

In fact I have to support myself on less. After tax, childcare and commuting costs, I am lucky to have £150 a month left over to live on. £1800 a year, that is.

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ChippingInNeedsCoffee · 31/05/2012 18:40

BOF - in how many parts of the country could people support themselves on £16-£18k?? (That's about £5 gross and hour at £18k) That's ridiculous, unless you expect all nannies to be being supported by either their parents or partners.

I personally think the Govt needs to make a nanny's wage payable out of the parents Gross wage (deductable). It is madness to have to pay a nanny out of a net wage - however, that doesn't mean nannies should work for a pittance.

Frakiosaurus · 31/05/2012 18:27

Oh yes please Wink

BoffinMum · 31/05/2012 17:38

Shall we do a group Skype interview via conference call of this poor chap tonight? Then you can tell me if you approve! Grin

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BoffinMum · 31/05/2012 17:37

Nannies, I would say that if you do a non-childcare job for a while, if you do a short childcare CPD course at the same time, it demonstrates a real interest in childcare whilst having a good work ethic to potential employers.

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BoffinMum · 31/05/2012 17:35

The hours are indeed long - cleaners however can only do so many hours a week, usually school hours, and most of them don't work much in school holidays, so it looks a lot on paper, but then not many of them earn more than £5000 a year in total.

A lot of jobs demands heavy hours these days anyway. I am supposed to work 37.5 hours a week but you can add another 10 unpaid onto that, plus commute. It's just life in a professional job these days.

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happychappy · 31/05/2012 15:24

I think the problem with nannying for me from the other point of view (the nanny) the hours are so long and it's fairly common to do a 60hour week. If you take that on an hour on hour basis your hourly pay isn't that great compared to other job. This week I have been offered a job at £6nph but a friend offered to a cleaning job at 10 per week. Once I have paid all my expenses I'm easily better off just staying and doing a few hours here and there cleaning but what a waste of all that experience. With this all said I have been thinking of fostering. My thinking is I get a rewarding career which fits in with my family, which I think, we all agree, is what we are all looking for. Also I get to use the many years experience I have and finish my degree at the same time. That work life balance is always so hard to obtain. Just when you think you are nearly there, something happens and messes it all up.

JennyNanny · 31/05/2012 13:11

You're all terrifying me!
I think there is always the problem of looking at a CV too closely.
As others have said, most people are probably just trying to remain employed.
Myself, my experience is largely childcare but with added experience as secretarial support/PA work - which I hope would be seen as a positive.
I'm most certainly in it for the long term, and presume that most Nanny positions would be long term unless stated otherwise. It comes with the territory really - a child can't be secure unless they have a stable childcare situation; a good Nanny would know that. It's part of the job!

I imagine that glowing references would be a huge factor in a family's descision though.

I'm really sad to hear about your experiences though, Boff! Big hugs to you!
I hope you find someone awesome soon!

x

BoffinMum · 31/05/2012 11:27

Fox, PMSL about bench at the primary school! Grin.

Interviewed a very young nanny by Skype last night, but although she was lovely, I think she would struggle with this particular job, as she is rather shy and not from this area (she was applying to be live in).

Interviewing the sporty young man this evening, and I have to say he is looking better and better compared to the CVs of the others.

Matesnotdates, interesting theory that some areas have a dearth of nannies as they are all going back to nurseries - nurseries are also closing here and there, so I imagine there will be a childcare unemployment problem looming just at the time people need more childcare. It doesn't need to be like that - if nannies were a lot more modest in salary demands (and I am thinking of salaries in the region of £16-18k) then I think many of them could have really steady, reliable, comfortable, long term jobs with the same family if they wanted them. Instead they seem to get spurts of higher paid income and then down time when they can't earn much at all, yet they are uncomfortable with the insecurity that this sort of existence brings. And overall I imagine it averages out at £16-£18k anyway due to periods of not earning much. Am I right? (Please nannies, don't all howl that this wage is appallingly low etc, I am thinking just in very practical terms of the market here, and the fact that your wage almost always has to come out of another women's take home pay, which presents a natural upper limit in a lot of cases).

Duchesse, we actually do have a kind of family retainer, oddly enough, and I am sure she would have jumped at the chance to look after the kids, as she looked after us all when we were little, and she was brilliant at it. She still tries to look after us all now! Grin However she is 90 this year and in another country. Sad I think in my heart of hearts I am looking for another one like her, even though that was of its time, and I know such people don't exist any more.

Sunshinenanny, the various agencies have been great - I think they are as hacked off with these nannies as the parents are. It's just so unrealistic to go around demanding all this, in fact doing any demanding at all, especially given that it's a difficult economic climate. And there tends to be a negative emotional spin put on it, almost emotional blackmail, for example "If you cared about your children you would pay for the best care" etc. However as people on here have said, paying top dollar doesn't guarantee anything at all in terms of quality. I would say my top two child carers have been one AP+ I paid £90 a week to a few years back, and one nanny who was on £300 a week. The worst one I had was from The Place We Do Not Name, and quite pricey.

Anyway, onwards and upwards. I have been eating a lot of biscuits during this period of childcare stress, and I am further away than ever from being able to sit on a riding school pony without flattening it a la Birtwell cartoon, but hopefully this chap will be great and come across in a week's time and fearlessly take on my three 'luffly kids'. Grin

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foxinsocks · 31/05/2012 03:58

Thirty three years!!! You are kidding me! You need a medal boff!

Did they all go to the same primary school? You will probably get a bench in your name when you go.

Matesnotdates · 31/05/2012 00:50

Boffin - we were looking for a nanny recently and had loads of bitty CVs like that. We have a dearth of nannies available down here. DH's view is that because of the recession lots have gone back to nurseries so there is a shortage. And the ones left over are commuting to London - living in there for three nights a week.

duchesse · 30/05/2012 23:08

I should also add that I have had four children and the oldest is 25, so I've used childcare for longer than average.

What you needed was some beloved elderly family nanny to wheel out of retirement until she dropped dead.

Seriously am feeling for you. I would seriously recommend going down the au pair route- get a series of intelligent gap year students who don't look too blasé to be trustworthy with young children (even if no experience you want them to have some inkling that it's a big responsibility). My last au pair was the 19 yo baby of a family of four, had no experience of baby-sitting or childcare, but asked all the right questions at interview, was lively, engaging and pleasant-mannered. She didn't want to work in childcare long-term but wanted to improve her English so she could go to university in Sweden rather than Germany. She was a big success.

Best ever though was my lovely Carolina, found in the extended family of a Spanish friend. She did want to work in childcare and is in fact back in Spain right now doing an early years teaching course, armed with fluent English and full of confidence. She looked after DD3 for the first year of her life, from 15 days old, as I work freelance from home and couldn't really take much time out. The good thing was that I was always in the house if there was a problem, and to be honest her job for the first three months was to hold the baby, talk to her and bring her to me if she needed feeding. As the baby got older though, she was the most fantastic carer to her. I can recommend the asking friends in x country for recommendations. There's already a link before they arrive and if you trust the person you've asked and they know you, they shouldn't recommend you anyone inappropriate.

confusedpixie · 30/05/2012 22:53

"What rings an alarm bell is when you get nursery work - career change - financial services - nanny for 3 months - financial services for a bit again - strange gap - 2 days a week in a nursery - nanny for four months with mum at home - nanny for 2 months - bit of sales work - bit of nursery work again, and so on."

My CV is like that Blush TBF it's all full time work, just not many childcare jobs! That's due to just being thankful to have a job and roof over my head that wasn't my parents though, and having to move around the country constantly in order to get these jobs! Luckily my current two families didn't ask to see my CV until after the interviews Grin (May I just say, I adore my two families, they are both fantastic Smile)

I hope that things turn out okay for you on the childcarer front! Your poor little one :(

sunshinenanny · 30/05/2012 22:30

I see where you are coming from Boffin and I love your open letter, especially about the "I am worth it angle"Grin One of my past agency ladies now retired used to complain that a lot of her younger nannies, newly qualified would throw that one at her! She used to gently explain to then that they would need to be experienced to command the kind of wages they were asking for and even then, the employers might not be prepared to bankrupt themselves to pay for childcareGrin

I have met some brilliant younger nannies but often found that it was the ones with a high opinion of themselves who weren't as good as they thoughtHmm

BoffinMum · 30/05/2012 22:04

This is true, Blondes. I am looking for reasons to be annoyed, tbh. Wink

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nbee84 · 30/05/2012 20:35
  • The 5 months took me to the end of August.
nbee84 · 30/05/2012 20:34

I booked a holiday once for the first 2 weeks of September. One week was families choice and I asked if I could tag on a week of mine to follow - they had pre school children so they themselves preferred to holiday at this time. Then Mum was made redundant, got a great redundancy package and decided to be a SAHM for a couple of years so let me go (they were lovely about it and said I could stay for up to 5 months while I looked for the ideal job) If I had known I would be job hunting then there is no way I would book a holiday for those weeks.

Blondeshavemorefun · 30/05/2012 20:04

bloody annoying screaming creatures eh red Grin

redglow · 30/05/2012 20:02

Yes I agree blondes I never go away in school holidays it's too expensive and too many children around.

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