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Please help me solve this childcare nightmare im about to encounter!

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girlylala0807 · 31/03/2012 10:56

Ok. Flexible working request had been rejected. As of May I will have to work on a 7 week rollong rota including weekends. It will be 3 days over 7. I have recently become a single parent and have limited support available.

So. I will have to pay for my sons nursery place full time as he will be there on different days each week. I talked to the tax credit people and I will get most of this paid for as I will only earn £7000 a year. It just seems odd they will pay for it even though they know he is not there. Hey ho.

So this leaves the weekends...it would appear there are no options available. None. So my plan was to advertise on gumtree to try and find a part time registared nanny. The would work the same rota as me on a 7 week basis. However they would have a week free every 35 days or so when my son spends the week at his dads. They would also be paid holiday and stuff.

If anyone has any possible solution. Anything at all...help me!

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CPtart · 02/04/2012 20:46

Ha! I work in the NHS. let me tell you that where I last worked shift patterns were in force and flexibe working most certainly did not exist. "The needs of the service come first" and all that shite.....thats why I left. Another experienced nurse out the door.

girlylala0807 · 02/04/2012 19:31

Some great advice thank you. Im going to look for weekend childcare. Im going to appeal but offer a compromise at the bottom. The union will look over my letter when im done. I really dont want to give up work. Im finding being a single parent hard enough. Without the support of the lovely people I work with I think id crack up!

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StillSquiffy · 02/04/2012 06:50

Agree you need to appeal the flexible working decision. Go through their points explaining why your flexible working will not impact quality of service (or whatever) and if you can suggest a solution that will enhance it, then even better. EG if there are periods where museum is busier then why not suggest you cover those shifts, or work the more anti-social shifts regularly, in order to improve quality of service. Then, when you have a fixed schedule (even if it is not the ideal 9-3 Mon-Wed or whatever that you might prefer) you can find the childcare you need - either CM, nursery, or au pair. If you can do at least some mix of unsocial shifts alongside nursery shifts (eg Sun, Mon, Tue) then your bosses may be more favourable toward your application.

At the end of your application you should cite that your understanding is that flexible working must be considered properly by your employer and should only be refused for genuine business reasons and both you and your union await their response, especially given that flexible working already works successfully in many public sector areas that also operate shift patterns, such as the NHS.

mumnosbest · 02/04/2012 00:09

i would stick with appealing against flexible hrs decision

EBDteacher · 01/04/2012 19:17

I wonder if you could do an au pair/ nanny share with another family who have a full timer? I suppose that might still not cover it as the nanny must have days off during the week.

Really tricky one. I know how you feel about moving heaven and high water to keep your job, I feel like that about mine too.

apotomak · 01/04/2012 14:11

Swiching to a childminder and moving your son from nursery may be a solution. It could potentially save you a lot of money in childcare fees. I am a childminder and work weekends I have parents with irregular rotas where I have to keep a space for the child every day and they would only use 3 days each week. I like being less busy and charge a lot more per hour than for a standard contract with set days and hours. You would save yourself money on all the stuff an employer has to pay for if they employ somebody ... as childminder will be self employed.

girlylala0807 · 01/04/2012 09:23

Im not planning to call in sick Im planning on finding a solution one way or another. Just looking for ideas :)

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MrAnchovy · 31/03/2012 22:59

Karoleann I've just reread your post. The first time round this is all that registered:

"If you do you could be really cheeky and ring in sick if you have a difficult weekend shift ..."

The second time I see that it continues:

"... and just cite the fact your childcare has let you down."

That isn't calling in sick is it? Do you think that it is possible that someone reading that may well remember the first bit and not the second? And if they did, and thought that it was OK to lie about being sick do you think it is possible that they might lose their job as a result?

MrAnchovy · 31/03/2012 22:49

planning to take a sicky because of childcare issues is exactly the sort of thing that makes it hard for working mums to be taken seriously

It is also a one-way ticket to a final written warning for the first offence and summary dismissal without notice or pay in lieu the second time. Let's be absolutely clear, not turning up for work when you can't because of childcare problems is one thing and even the most aggressive employer will take some time going through a process to deal with it but if you call in and say you are not coming in because you are sick when you are not you are deceiving your employer and there is not a union rep in the land that can save you.

FamiliesShareGerms · 31/03/2012 22:16

Sorry, I agree with Anchovy - planning to take a sicky because of childcare issues is exactly the sort of thing that makes it hard for working mums to be taken seriously, or get a job or promotion etc. terrible advice!

OP - I think a childminder or au pair might be the way to go, though make sure you have a back up plan eg in case they get sick.

Goid luck

Karoleann · 31/03/2012 22:07

Mr anchovy I obviously disagree or I wouldn't have posted it. your comment was utterly pointless.

I find it very unlikely this lady's company can't give her fixed work days each week, they may just need to be convinced its a good idea in a different way.

I hope you do find a solution.

nannynick · 31/03/2012 19:17

Have you contacted your local authority Family Information Service for details about childminders, in particular those who may consider weekend work? Establish the cost involved and how much taxcredits may provide towards that.

Do you have spare bedroom? If so then I wonder if taking in a lodger could work - they they get a reduced rent in exchange for doing the weekend childcare.

girlylala0807 · 31/03/2012 19:06

*shifts even

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girlylala0807 · 31/03/2012 19:06

They all work on rolling shits over 7 weeks as well. Nobodys hours would change. They have zero hour contract staff to fill in gaps and holidays.

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MrAnchovy · 31/03/2012 18:59

It is very difficult to win an appeal against a flexible working decision - it is all very well for you to say that there are 70 other workers, but if they had to work more weekend days to cover for you it would probably mean their contracts have to be changed which would affect labour relations and might need a pay increase, so it is easy for the company to defend their decision.

MrAnchovy · 31/03/2012 18:52

you could be really cheeky and ring in sick if you have a difficult weekend shift and just cite the fact your childcare has let you down

That must be the worst advice I have ever read in this topic :(

girlylala0807 · 31/03/2012 18:05

I am going to appeal the flexible working request. Something about not being able to cover the shift (interesting when there are 70 people in the team!) and the impact on quality of service. Im going to talk to the union.

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mumnosbest · 31/03/2012 17:07

what reason did they give for refusing flexible hrs at work?

Booh · 31/03/2012 16:56

Id have a look for a childminder to be honest, I would be able to accommodate those working hours, and have done in the past, mainly flight crew parents.

Sounds like a real headache, good luch

girlylala0807 · 31/03/2012 16:49

I work in a museum. There is a Union whick I though I was not in but have been paying subs to since I started. I need to try and do something, I really like my job.

Yes 7000 will be my gross salary. Im limited to what I can pay as I will rely on tax credits. The upside to anyone wanting the job is that my son will go to his dads for 10 days each time he is home which could still be paid for.

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Karoleann · 31/03/2012 16:41

Do you work in a profession with a strong union where its quite difficult to sack you? If you do you could be really cheeky and ring in sick if you have a difficult weekend shift and just cite the fact your childcare has let you down. Then after a couple of months speak to HR again and apologise for the fact that you've been a bit unreliable and request flexible working again?
Otherwise I'd try and find a new job (I'm presuming you're a nursing assistant)

lesstalkmoreaction · 31/03/2012 15:54

I would speak to childminders, you may find one willing to do floating hours with occasional weekends and agree a minimum amount to be paid each week. Its definately something I would consider, you need to make it appeal by offering slightly above their advertised rate to accomodate the flexible hours.

littlewillows · 31/03/2012 12:55

Where are you, I guess if his dads at sea, you won't live near me. But to give your child continuality I would suggest a childminder who can work weekends and during the week.

nannynick · 31/03/2012 12:18

What hours are you working at weekends and what hours of childcare would you need?

Is £7000 your annual Gross salary?
Are taxcredits saying they would cover all the nursery cost, or only 70% of the cost (childcare element of WTC) and what about the maximum claim amount, will that apply? How much are the nursery fees before taking account of any contribution via taxcredits?

PaulaMummyKnowsBest · 31/03/2012 12:00

some childminders work weekends, maybe ask around a bit