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Paid childcare

Discuss everything related to paid childcare here, including childminders, nannies, nurseries and au pairs.

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What would be reasonable rate of pay for this nanny?

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BoffinMum · 13/01/2012 14:05

I live in East Anglia. I've been advertising a nanny job recently, offering what local agencies recommended, for a full-time permanent post. Then one nanny who used to work for my friend got in contact, who has a child of her own, who would have to be part of this arrangement, and she told me all the nannies locally were earning £8.50-£10 an hour net regardless of whether they brought a child to work or not. And they didn't do any cooking for children, or cleaning of their rooms for that either. So £36,000 a year or so gross for a job where you have no childcare costs of your own and your employer presumably does a fair bit of running around getting things ready for you behind the scenes.

This sounds a bit so I wonder if the Michael is being extracted here, as they say? What does everyone think?

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hohohoshedittant · 14/01/2012 20:22

tbf boffinmum you said 'I am not shelling out for you to sit in my house with your child with my heating on'. That was before anyone mentioned heating.

I think in regard to this nanny you're right, but your rant isn't about she it's about they meaning not just her but nannies in general. I'm sure what you say is true about some nannies, but not all, not the majority.

eastnorth · 14/01/2012 20:05

You mentioned using your heating eating your biscuits . Red glow Mentioned heating later, I just think it was well rude and you gave the impression that you resent how much nannies earn.

bbcessex · 14/01/2012 20:03

Give us a biccie before you go!

bbcessex · 14/01/2012 20:02

FWIW, I have a nanny with her own child, and she cooks, cleans the children's rooms, does their laundry, empties the dishwasher, puts the shopping away AND sews on name tags, gym badges etc, amongst other things.

We have a NWOC because our needs are part time (before and after school) and those hours didn't (understandably) appeal to full time nannies - therefore we pay near-ish full rate because of supply and demand - supply was tight and therefore the nanny was in demand! Having said that, it has worked out well.

I quite agree that the jobs you've said are part and parcel of a nanny job... I think you have come across a bit of a jobsworth with the nanny who is refusing to do 'the usual'.. I'd steer well clear.

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BoffinMum · 14/01/2012 19:34

Ooo, flaming.

FFS read the blardly thread. I wasn't the one who mentioned heating, it was a nanny actually, moaning about an ex-employer, and we were 'aving a laff about it. And my nanny (who has stayed with us 2 years) loves this family and is only moving for career reasons, she may come back one day, and she would certainly be welcome. We have been incredibly supportive of lots of very big things happening in her personal life, and frankly gone beyond the call of duty on many occasions, cos she's lovely and worth it and all that, and she knows she's had a good time here with us.

I know she knows, because she took me out to lunch to tell me so. After I had spent the day in A and E holding her hand and stroking her hair when she got very ill, and arguing with the medics on her behalf so they treated her properly.

You don't half leap to conclusions, you lot.

Anyway, I am hiding this thread now before it all kicks off. And the nasty people are not getting to share my choccie biccie stash.

Tara folks.

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eastnorth · 14/01/2012 19:09

I employ a nanny and childminder and treat them with respect. They are good at my job and they are good at their job, with your attitude you will not find a good nanny.

Maybe it is time to give up your job and look after your own child. Fancy mentioning heating how tight can you get?

me2011 · 14/01/2012 18:29

There is no wonder why your last nanny left. I assume it was very hard for her to put up with you for two years.You don,t deserve a nanny and to be honest with this way of thinking you will never have a long term good nanny.

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BoffinMum · 14/01/2012 18:07

Bin bags are there
Here is the biscuit tin
Here are the art materials, children's books and playdough
Now park yourself by the fire and get on with it. I will even pay!

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redglow · 14/01/2012 17:31

When do I start that's my only demands

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BoffinMum · 14/01/2012 17:16

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BoffinMum · 14/01/2012 17:11

You could certainly make merry with the choccie biscuits and heating control in this house, providing you took a turn emptying the kitchen bin from time to time.

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redglow · 14/01/2012 16:51

Obviously you have more tact than nannies but at least you will not waste time interviewing people. I think you got off pretty lightly thought nannies would have been a lot more annoyed to be honest.

Do you think I could demand chocolate biscuits to sit and eat all day so fed up with rich tea.
Once had employer who would not tell me where the heating control was said her last nanny took advantage.

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BoffinMum · 14/01/2012 16:45

Also when I have hired nannies, it is usually because they spend a lot of time talking about all the children they have worked with and what they enjoy doing most. Obviously they want to earn a decent wage and be treated properly (who doesn't?), but ultimately their main focus is whether there will be a good relationship between my kids and themselves, and whether they think they will be able to bring the children on, with our support.

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BoffinMum · 14/01/2012 16:42

I do feel a bit better for it, at least I did until I got told off on here .

TBH when I am applying for things, I usually ask all about the other job, and then tactfully enquire about the things that matter to me at the end. I think that's the polite way to do things.

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redglow · 14/01/2012 16:26

Well hope you felt better for it. But on the other hand surely you would go for a job and say what you wanted. Your rant made me laugh especially about the two years in college, I think experience is so much more important anyway then qualifications. Lots of people earm good money without qualifications.

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BoffinMum · 14/01/2012 16:14

Perhaps I did rant a bit, but in my defence, that is what MN is for, a bit of anonymous ranting to get it off one's chest, so be a bit gentle on me . Plus to put it in context, I have actually had two pretty dreadful emails from two separate nannies dictating their terms to the letter, telling me how well qualified they are , telling me what fantastic value they are , and being pretty negative that I can't go part time just to accommodate them, and/or run around like a blue arsed fly cleaning up before and after their arrival so they don't have to pull their weight. It presses my buttons something rotten.

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redglow · 14/01/2012 15:56

Well I suppose it's a personal thing the first job they wanted someone with their own child so they had better experience. Second job they had two children so I wasn't any more expensive than a childminder or nursery and they just really wanted me to work for them. The lady i work for now has said when my. Grandchild is born I am very welcome to take him with me if my daughter wants to go back to work. Some people just want the right child care and others resent it everyone has a choice.

hohohoshedittant · 14/01/2012 15:36

'I have always wondered why the reduction is not 50% as it would be with any other nanny share scenario?'

As Frak says power lies with employer regarding what the kids do when/rotuine etc.
Also the nanny will usually be based in the employers home in this scenario and so all the laundry/bed changing/shopping/tidying/errands that the nanny does will be to the benefit of the employer.

redglow · 14/01/2012 15:33

Well I used to take my children with me when they were smaller, for the same money not any less, my children always fitted in with the children I was minding and it worked really well. yes I would empty the dishwasher and tidy up etc.

However i think you have gone over the top boffin with your rant you do sound very resentful the nanny was trying it on but just Say no and find a more suitable nanny.

OhFraktiousTree · 14/01/2012 14:49

Sara because the power still lies with the employer. If I want my child to go to 5 extra curricular activities a week then nanny's child will get dragged all over because I say so (if I'm inconsiderate like that), whereas in a share I would need to compromise with my co-employer and find a suitable balance for both families because we both put into the pot. And in a share the salary is usually raised slightly compared to one family and then split so a nanny who was on £8 may get £10 in a share (£5 each) but £6 bringing her own child.

Gigondas · 14/01/2012 13:38

Nannyw idea a good one - it's how I found our current nanny .

NannyW · 14/01/2012 13:30

But our manicures are so important!

Perhaps your last nanny will know of someone to recommend to you.

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BoffinMum · 14/01/2012 13:23

That's right, I am not labelling all nannies at all - I think some posters on here realise that, and it's really not my style anyway.

There's no problem with respect in this house - last nanny worked for me for two years and is only reluctantly leaving in order to do her Level 3 in a nursery based job as she wants to get back into all that kind of thing - she bought me a 'World's Best Boss' mug recently so I don't think my insistence on her compromising her manicure with a bit of dishwasher emptying and wiping has caused problems.

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NannyW · 14/01/2012 13:17

That is fair enough if you don't mean to describe all nannies as this. I think a lot of nannies start out as nursery nurses do they not? Most of the nannies I know did and they move into nannying for a better salary and often job security.

I hope you do find a good nanny but respect her as such.

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BoffinMum · 14/01/2012 12:49

hohoho that did cross my mind - I used to be a nursery nurse, so looked after 30 over 2's at a time!

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