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gobblygook · 23/10/2011 15:53

I have an amazing nanny for my 11 month old DS. She's been part time with us for five months and ds loves her and I have nothing but praise - and I work at home so I am involved. her references were outstanding.

This week she got a new iPhone - she's had a dodgy phone that hasn't taken pics. Then she took some pics of DS and a video if him laughing. She showed me and sent me the video - but I feel uncomfortable about it. I don't think is about anything except her fondness for him but I'd prefer she didn't.

Equally, I'm finding it really hard to think whether a) I'm being silly b) how I approach the conversation without offending her. Shes an important part of our day to day.

Wondered what people thought? Or any suggestions for effective, sensitive handling...

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HavePatience · 23/10/2011 23:05

*takes

ChippingInToThePumpkinLantern · 23/10/2011 22:30

You're welcome and I'm pleased you are now reassured it's normal :)

gobblygook · 23/10/2011 22:24

Thanks for all responses.

I wasn't exactly sure what bothered me, but having read all the posts, it's clear that it's quite normal/routine, and this appeases me. I want her to love him, she has the most important job in the world - looking after our son - and he clearly loves being around her. And i can now see, after it's been clearly pointed out, that taking pics for me, and possibly for herself, is part of that process. Maybe I feel a bit threatened: I have to look at that and get over that. But this is new to me and I'm learning.

I don't think she would upload to FB etc but I'll wait until pictures come up again and then perhaps suggest using a shared camera because I like how much she enjoys documenting, and I'd like to share in that. Then it would be a good time to casually mention that I obviously wouldn't expect photos of him to be shared etc.

I know she's really happy and that's mutual, and I wouldn't ever accuse her because there's nothing to accuse her of.

As I said, I put the post out there for others to feed back and now I have the feedback which has helped me process my thoughts. Thanks very much for interesting insights.

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gruber · 23/10/2011 22:07

Another nanny here. I take lots pictures on my Iphone. These get sent to my boss during the day , compiled into albums for grandparents, printed out & put in scrapbook (e.g. Pic of them on the train to go with the train tickets).

They are NEVER uploaded to Facebook or twitter. They are shown to my family (who have all met my charges) and my boss is ok with this. Would never show them to a stranger.

The children are a big part of my life, and I am there for big events which I'll naturally want go record for mum/dad boss to have as a memory. I took the pictures of my charge on the first day of nursery, for example, and when parents are away for a period of time they like to see what the children are doing.

As others have said, what bothers you? And if it is fb, make it clear you appreciate the photos but that there are boundaries.

HavePatience · 23/10/2011 21:41

My cm rakes photos of mindees and I get a photo with his daily diary emailed to me every day. I love it :) I know she has other photos of him and she has photos around her house of the children. She loves them. I see nothing wrong with it at all.

nannynick · 23/10/2011 20:05

MagicOC I think MNT used to run the ICP course which was for CHILDMINDERS but they were using it as a means of getting nannies registered. What course did you do with MNT? Has MNT given you any documents published by Ofsted which state that NANNIES (not childminders) need to have Policies & Procedures documents signed by parents. The only one of which I am aware is Medication and that's an Insurance requirement, not an Ofsted one.
If you have found someone on Ofsted's website, then point me to it, but until then, Ofsted can not tell nannies that they should have that sort of signed permission. A nanny is an Employee - their written statement/contract could well cover that sort of thing.

This sort of thing I feel is between the parent employing the nanny and the nanny themselves. Any involvement from a childcare regulator I feel is wrong, as nannies are not regulated... they are purely registered for childcare voucher scheme/tax credit purposes.

gobblygook - if you don't want your nanny taking photos of your son, then as the employer you can dictate that. However photos are a good record of what your son has done, so can help show you some of the things he does during his day. Suggest they use your camera perhaps, though that means another thing to carry around with them (does your nanny have a MaryPoppins bag) and potentially lose. May be easier to purely ask your nanny not to share the photos with anyone, including their partner but instead to send them to you on a regular basis... I try to upload weekly, though it can sometimes take a bit longer than that.

You should also consider photos of your son being taken by anyone else. If they go to a SureStart group, then a permission form may well need to be completed to permit (or not) the group to use your son's picture for display work and in the media. You can't stop someone else taking a picture of you on a public street. Your nanny could tell friends that they can't take pictures and they should honour that.

Try to focus what your concern actually is - is it to do with photos possibly getting onto a site like Facebook, or is it that you are feeling that your nanny is having a closer bond to your son that you had thought they would, or if it's something else.

The photos I feel should be for work purposes, they are to document the things they do during the day. Some weeks you may get quite a lot, other weeks you may not get many.

grumplestilskin · 23/10/2011 19:52

my DSs nursery take pics during the day so parents can feel part of their day, I love it, I'ld just make sure the nanny knew that I do not upload pictures of my child then enjoy the insights to his day while I wasn't there

redglow · 23/10/2011 19:50

Well gobblygook I am with you on this one. I am a nanny and all my nanny friends show these pictures around not in a nasty way. I sometimes take a camera on a day out but do not take any on my phone.

ChippingInToThePumpkinLantern · 23/10/2011 19:11

Gobblygook - I think that you need to work out why this is bothering you. Your nanny is spending x amount of hours a week with your DS, they are forming a bond, creating a relationship. This might be something you find difficult, especially if returning to work is something you are doing out of necessity rather than choice. IMO the best nanny is a nanny who genuinely loves your DC & if so they will become a part of her life too. It is natural for her to share this love of him with her friends and family and to show them photos, tell them when he's got a tooth or is walking etc. You can't really have a nanny that leaves all that at the door and loves him when she's there. You have to decide what kind of a nanny you want to have.

TheOriginalFAB · 23/10/2011 19:06

Are you uncomfortable with the fact that your nanny clearly cares a lot for your son and you would prefer things to be more professional in that none emotional attachment?

I think it is fine to ask your nanny not to upload photos on to FB or the like but be prepared for her to feel very upset and like you don't trust her.

I used to be a nanny and also had friends take photos of my children for themselves.

You need to think about why this is such an issue for you as your nanny has done nothing wrong and it is your problem, not hers.

eurycantha · 23/10/2011 19:01

Oops Camera at home not School.

magicOC · 23/10/2011 18:59

Rita, I have old pics too. Frightening when you look back at yourself 20+ years ago Grin

I actually have 4 ex-charges pics on FB, as they are now adults and have added me as a FB friend. God i'm getting old Blush

magicOC · 23/10/2011 18:56

Nick, when I done the MNT course they told us we HAD to get written permission (they knew we were doing the Nanny voluntary register not CM).Has that changed then?

Personally I think it's only right. Saves confusion later on I suppose.

RitaMorgan · 23/10/2011 18:56

Asking her not to put them up on Facebook/Twitter etc is perfectly reasonable.

Seems odd to me that you wouldn't want her to take photos to keep for herself though - she has looked after your baby for 5 months, she probably loves him! I have lots of photos of my old charges still.

pecanpie · 23/10/2011 18:39

My nanny DID post pictures of DDs on facebook. She has over 1000 'friends' and belonged to a number of groups I considered to be quite dodgy - frankly inappropriate no matter how good the relationship.

You can be clear that you like that she takes photos so you can see what DCs are getting upto and you really appreciate it, but that there are certain places where it's not appropriate for her to use the pictures - i.e. any social media (and perhaps that you're certain she'd never even consider e.g. posting on facebook).

I really recommend that you do this because once they are out there, it's a lot more difficult to get images removed.

eurycantha · 23/10/2011 18:23

I have always taken photos of the children i have looked after .My employers have loved looking at photos of their children doing new activities ,first football lessons,first time on the high beam,Fancy dress outfits things like that ,every so often I give the camera to my boss and she downloads the photos of the children.There is also a camera at school whiich I can take out on activities ,I use it at music recitals and assemblys and sports days that the parents may be unable to get to.I do not post any photos any where and actually only show photos to their grandparents and my mother who likes to see what they have been doing.I think you should provide a camera at work that your nanny can use you will really enjoy seeing all the activities your child has been doing and that you may have had to miss.

gobblygook · 23/10/2011 17:28

I will obviously not be accustory. I have no wish to make her feel uncomfortable in any way. I love how she loves my DS - but I don't really want photos of him shared with anyone else other than between us (her and our family). I suppose her taking them on her phone prohibits me knowing this for sure so maybe I need to suggest our camera. But I'm sure she also show her partner who we've met and really like, and i don't want to make her feel she can't share

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MogandMe · 23/10/2011 17:18

I didn't know that MagicOC

I am a nanny and constantly take photos of what we get upto - and in fact my charge will often ask me to take a photo even if it's just him sat on the swing etc!

I also have lots of little films of him again doing simple things like puddle jumping, painting, singing that I have compiled into a dvd for my boss.

I spend 60 hours a week with my charge and I am aware I see things that my boss misses out on - birthday parties, cooking cakes, climbing trees, first trip to the seaside/somewhere new. So I film videos / I take photos and my boss then has photos to look back at as he grows at just how he has changed.

I also have a board of photos of my friends children on my wardrobe at work - they are children I love and spend time with and have seen grow - I am also a keen photographer so often like a certain way I've taken the photo etc.

I would never put my charges photos on facebook (as he's not my child!!) but I do :
upload them to a photo printers to print (boss doesn't seem to have an issue with this)
email photos to my boss and the grandparents
put photos of my friends children but with permission.

If she took the photos on a family camera would you be happier? :)

nannynick · 23/10/2011 17:11

Not seen anything in the nanny registration forms about Ofsted wanting there to be written concent for a nanny to take picture. It's nothing to do with Ofsted, it's between the employer and their employee. Maybe you are confusing things with nursery/childminders which Ofsted regulate. Ofsted don't regulate nannies, they only register them and check a few basic things.

OP I would have thought you would want the pictures to leave their phone. Such as being uploaded to a secure photo sharing system, so that you and your nanny have access but no one else.

lesstalkmoreaction · 23/10/2011 17:11

Perhaps you feel as though your families privacy is being compromised, I can understand that you wouldn't want your nanny sharing the photos with anyone else. Why not buy her a cheap camera that she can use and they can be uploaded to your own laptop at the same time asking her not to use her phone camera.

magicOC · 23/10/2011 16:57

Def mention to her re FB. It's your right, but, pls don't do it in a way which may sound accusing to her. You have no proof she is doing this. I take pics all the time like the others have said. In fact I once gave MB 6 cds which holds 250 pics each, of the children (reminds me I need to do some more). Have even been the photographer at the christening of the youngest and numerous parties. None of my pics go on FB. I even ask permission from my nephew and his partner if I can put their baby on.

Out of curiosity, is she OFSTED registered?

They require you to have written permission from employers to take pics.

BertieBotts · 23/10/2011 16:41

Do you mean that perhaps it is difficult knowing that she is developing such a bond with your DS that she wants to have pictures of him for her self? Could you try looking at it a different way - if you had a close friend who saw him as a god-son, for example, or if you had a sister who was very close, would it make you feel strange for his Godmother or his Aunty to want to have pictures of him?

Although it might be hard for you to know that she is becoming so close to him, do be reassured that nobody else will ever come close to Mummy, and in fact if she is developing a close bond with him, that is fantastic for him and his development, to be cared for by somebody who cares for him that much. He is a very lucky little boy :)

GuillotinedMaryLacey · 23/10/2011 16:40

I have albums full of photos of my charges from years back. I took photos because I loved the kids, simple as that.

sillymillyb · 23/10/2011 16:34

Another ex nanny here - I used to take photos and send them to the parents regularly when they were at work. I also printed them off and made displays for the walls, and every christmas the family would get a photo album.

I can understand your concerns about facebook, but maybe a quick comment along the lines of, "I love the photos but you know I don't like pictures of the kids on facebook or shown to strangers don't you?" More than likely this wouldn't even occur to her to do, but it will reassure you to have that conversation with her.

If she is perfect nanny and this is only time you have felt uncomfortable then trust your general instincts and deal with this one incident. Relax and enjoy the updates on your offspring - this is another way for you to be involved in your childs life while you are at work :)

gobblygook · 23/10/2011 16:18

Let me reiterate that I do not think her actions are sinister. I was very clear, she's amazing and I feel very lucky. I trust her with my DS.

This just made me feel uncomfortable - I am a first time mother and I am navigating new territory with having a nanny. I think it's, as one poster said, the tensions that can arise from having a nanny (internally) and also I was just curious what others thought. I'm very reassured it's common practice but I may just check with her that no photos leave her phone

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