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OK, CM question that may be really dense, but be kind!!!....

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Becaroooo · 13/09/2011 12:50

...ds2 (3 in 3 weeks) is NOT settling at nursery at all - crying, genuine distress, waking in the night and then yesterday vomiting Sad

He was only doing 2 mornings per week and has only done 2 sessions and its a disaster.

So, am thinking maybe a CM would be a better option for him? He has 2 years til he starts school so dont think it matters that he isnt at nursery yet.

My question is;
Do CM's provide the 15 hours free care from the term after age 3 that nurseries/pre-schools do? As I said, this is probably a very dense question but I have no experience of this.

Should add that I really dont want to push ds2 re; nursery as I did with ds1 and deeply regret it.

Thanks

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thebody · 14/09/2011 17:18

and remember this is all temporary, he will all too soon be denying your presence at the school gate and say as mine did, 'mum no kissing me, god how embaressing'.

all part of the journey so keep that in mind and dont worry.

Becaroooo · 14/09/2011 12:56

They say he cried for me but played happily...not sure about that, when I collected him (early) after his last session he was with the same key worker he had been with 3 hours earlier and seemed very withdrawm Sad

I think he is just not developmentally ready tbh...

Got to ring the nursery and say he isnt coming back for a while!

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Tinkerisdead · 14/09/2011 12:30

Hmmm i understand the cost. Ive had to cut back on loads to afford the extra session as dd doesnt get funded til jan. Its heart wrenching to know your child is so upset. I sent dh to do the drop offs sometimes as i couldnt bear the screaming. What was worse was the day when i collected her, she cried 'please please mummy just take me home' that was awful. Amazingly they said she didnt cry on dh's drop offs prob as she was used to seeing him go off to work.

Have you spoken to nursery? What do they say happens whilst he's there? My dd was apparently ok and they showed me lots of photos of her playing. But she wet herself three times a session there despite being out of nappies day and night since april so i knew she wasnt completely at ease.

Becaroooo · 14/09/2011 09:59

*thedoctorswife" glad your dd is happier now. We just cant afford any more sessions atm...I realise 2 morning sessions isnt much per week but even from Jan they could only offer us 3 morning sessions anyway.

knackered Will PM you, thanks.

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Tinkerisdead · 13/09/2011 19:29

I just wanted to let you know my experience with my DD to reassure you a bit. My DD is almost three but I started her 1 day a week at pre-school when she hit two. I'd been working from home but it was increasibly difficult so i opted to put her in one day per week. She took ages to settle, became very very clingy with her key worker and would sob if she left the room etc. I was getting extremely worried. Her keyworker is actually a childminder and so I explored moving her to her setting instead.

Her notes suggested that the only areas of development were to boost her confidence, social skills etc which broke my heart as she's extremely vivacious and spirited at home. I was tentative at taking her back after the summer but opted to put her in for an extra day hoping it would help her to settle as more time in the environment.

She is a different child, the difference since July to just a couple of weeks in, is massive. She begs to go, runs off without a glance and gushes with stories about it.

I'm not saying you shouldnt take DS out if thats what you think is best, or get a mothers help. But I realised that for my DD one 5 hour session in a week wasnt enough to settle in, to get familiar with the place or the people. It's a long time for an almost three year old to go 6 days without revisiting somewhere and it may be similar for your DS with short sessions and only a couple in hand. I was very very upset at the end of term before summer, my daughter to me was emotionally affected and I felt torn. This term she is now asking when she can get to big school and she doesnt start until 2013!!!

Knackeredmother · 13/09/2011 19:21

Empathise not emphasize !! Bloomin I phone!

Knackeredmother · 13/09/2011 19:20

Yes OP I can totally emphasize with the knackered thing!
I work and actually find it gives me a break, when I was at home I cried at least once a day. There is simply no break, EVER when you SAH. Unless you have family around.
A mothers help sounds good or even a nanny. My nanny used to do one afternoon a week for another family. In fact we are in the east mids and have just dropped our lovely nannies hours by half a day per week and I know she would like extra work.
Pm me if you want more info or I can help anymore.

ChitChattingWithKids · 13/09/2011 19:17

Oh and a lot of people are looking for nannies who will work before and after school and not get paid for the day and with the economic climate the way it is there's a lot of nannies who have to settle for that. So someone with that sort of position would LOVE to be able to work for those hours for someone else (especially if you really don't mind which days/hours!)

Becaroooo · 13/09/2011 19:16

ooohhh...thanks I will!

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ChitChattingWithKids · 13/09/2011 19:15

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ChitChattingWithKids · 13/09/2011 19:14

A Mother's help is exactly that, someone to help you!

They can be a mum whose children are in school and wants a few hours of work during the day, a new nanny who is willing to take on some housekeeping work combined with nannying to get experience, a university student (especially a childcare student), someone's au pair looking for a few more hours of work, a housekeeper who is also good with children. Very broad range of people who would qualify!!!

And yes, they could do ironing if that's what you want!!!!! Smile

Becaroooo · 13/09/2011 19:11

A mothers help?

Sorry, being dense again Blush What is that and how does it work??? Do they do ironing????

How do you get one? Is it a local council thing??? Advertise??

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ChitChattingWithKids · 13/09/2011 19:08

If you need a break, why not see if you can get a Mother's Help for a couple of mornings a week instead? Maybe being looked after in your own home by someone else will make it easier for your DC. After a few times you could go out for an hour or so, maybe get your hair done (Oh the luxury Grin!).

A double benefit in that you don't have to waste time getting them ready and dropping them off at nursery/CM, and the mother's help would be able to help with a few simple chores.

Becaroooo · 13/09/2011 19:07

honey thank you, I really appreciate you taking the time to post your experiences and for your honesty. I am in the process of being dx with RA so if I am honest was hoping for a bit of a break and I really genuinely thought he would like it! Your advice is very sensible, thanks again.

iskra I am in the east mids and a lovely CM I know sadly doesnt do the 15 hours from age 3 Sad

rita He should get his allowance of 15 hours from January next year - he is due to start school in Sept 2013 (small village school he knows well as his dbro and cousins go there).

Thanks again all who have replies so far, its really helping me see the wood for the trees Smile

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HoneyPablo · 13/09/2011 18:59

Becaroo
I am a nursery nurse and have lots of experiemce. For lots of children, 2 mornings a week is simply not long enough. He sounds as if he is finding it too traumatic at the moment. if he doesn't need to go, then don't send him yet. Wait a while till he is developmentally ready.
I have seen lots of children who are too upset to engage with anything at nursery. They spend the whole session crying, upset and fearful. Most parents stick it out because they need their child in nursery because they work. Sure, the children do settle, but sometimes it can take weeks or even months. We try to play it down if we can sense the parent feels guilt because of having to use a nursery.
I disagree about setting a precedent. In a few months time he will be older, more in control of his feelings and more able to express them. You are more likely to set a precedent for him to be hard to leave, which can continue well into the school years.
Wait until he is older and he will get so much more out of nursery when he is confident and happy in his surroundings.

RitaMorgan · 13/09/2011 18:59

Does he get his free hours in January? You could even just try stopping for now and having another go then.

iskra · 13/09/2011 18:56

I think it's totally okay for you to want a break. It does sound like he is struggling with it at the moment though. He might find a childminder setting easier - more like being cared for at home/at GPs - but you could give him a little while before you try it again. They change so much at this age!

Our (lovely, lovely) childminder did do the free 15 hours. You're not in south London are you btw?

squinker45 · 13/09/2011 18:54

This very thing happened with my niece at nearly 3. She screamed the place down and made herself ill with it. Dsis didn't send her again and she started school last week, no problems, bye-bye mummy and a wave.

When I was little i didn't go anywhere until school, and I was fine.

Becaroooo · 13/09/2011 18:53

knackered Your name is very apt!!! Its because I am knackered!!! Blush But you are right and my gut instinct tells me he is not ready....well, that and all the vomit Sad

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Knackeredmother · 13/09/2011 18:50

If you are a SAHM why do you need to send him anywhere?
If he wants to be with you why not let him?

Becaroooo · 13/09/2011 18:48

thanks rita

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RitaMorgan · 13/09/2011 18:46

He's not even three - if he doesn't need to go don't send him.

I don't agree at all that you are setting a precedent! Almost 3 is very different to almost 5, starting school is half his life away. He's not going to refuse to start Reception on the basis that 2 years ago you didn't make him go to nursery when he didn't want to.

Becaroooo · 13/09/2011 18:42

Yes pink he has, but I have been around/available at those sorts of places.

Its strange, he loves other children and I would have said he was ready (dh strongly disagreed and now thinks he was right obv)

Dont want to make a mistake...did with ds1 and I bitterly regret not going with my gut instinct back then Sad

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pinkytheshrinky · 13/09/2011 18:40

But what if he does this when he starts school? I think you should try for longer because you are setting a precedent - sorry if that sounds harsh but i would try again. Has he been around other children? Toddlers groups, soft play and stuff?