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Yup, Boff's got through another nanny ...

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BoffinMum · 19/05/2011 21:46

Sooooo, my latest nanny's just told me she's resigning because she doesn't enjoy looking after my eldest DC (aged 13). And she wants to go back to Turkey to be with her mum (nanny is 32).

Hand me the chocolate.

I think I am facing career death, because I can't imagine going through childcare trauma for 9 months again like last time. So I am thinking about sitting on the sofa all day watching Jeremy Kyle instead. I only make £25 a week going to work at the moment anyway. Why bother?

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BoffinMum · 24/05/2011 16:10

BTW I should add that they voted me in as a parent governor against eight other people, so I am not exactly persona non grata down there ....

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BoffinMum · 24/05/2011 16:09

I do have a strong personality (like half of MN), but I'm really not snotty, so please can we leave that accusation and move on with tips for getting me out of this sticky situation? Ta.

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Blondeshavemorefun · 24/05/2011 13:37

'heave herself to her full 5ft 7in'

boffy is NOT a snotty cow!!!!!

NoelEdmondshair · 24/05/2011 11:51

"joining the sofa surfing classes is however still an option"

you can stop being such a snotty cow for a start! No wonder the mums at school (many of whom probably have degrees etc) shun you and why you don't get ahead in your career due to your lack of inter-personal skills.

And maybe your DS would enjoy you spending a bit of time with him before he starts school.

thebody · 23/05/2011 22:25

strange nanny woman.. 13 is a great age.. vulnerable but trying to be grown up..

sorry for you .. minefield..though I was a sahm for a while and wouldnt dream of watching jeremy kyle shite to be honest..
also i was the only mum at the school gate WITHOUT a degree.. who cares whether someone has a degree or not. not important is it really...lets face it child birth is the best leveler..

bet there are some mums there who are your cup of tea. you just havnt had time to meet them pehaps.. now you can..good luck..

BoffinMum · 23/05/2011 21:53

Interesting idea, I never thought of that. [Hmm]

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plupervert · 23/05/2011 21:35

With your background in education and current knowledge of higher education, have you thought about educational consultancy (e.g. Gabbitas or being a school registrar? The latter is basically a sales job for a school, so has to pay, and with the fact that some of the major markets for independent/private schools in the UK are abroad, language skills are a plus (for example, French could help in parts of regions like North Africa, where things have been unstable enough for wealthy people to be nervous about keeping their children there...).

BoffinMum · 23/05/2011 15:07

Well, mindful as ever of the sterling advice on MN, I have spent a fair bit of time today investigating alternative careers and putting out feelers in the area of management consultancy, local jobs and other things. See, I do listen to you. Wink

As pointed out, I do have masses of skills, seriously masses, and I am also multilingual and so on, which makes it a constant source of bafflement to me that I earn hardly more than I spend on overheads, and I often end up watching my jobs turn into little more than routine admin roles rather than what I was really trained and employed for. I watch considerably less qualified, experienced people whizz ahead and enjoy nice little working arrangements with shorter hours, more money, more interesting work and more recognition. I must be doing something wrong, surely? But what?

I made the mistake of looking for jobs at my old university as well this morning, and once again, saw less qualified and experienced people nicely ensconced in unadvertised posts I had been trying to sniff around for and network towards over the last couple of years, and I had to say to myself, in the manner of single women rejected in love, "Boff, they're just not that into you, so ditch the jealousy because they're not wurf it." A bit of me fails to believe that though, and thinks just like the horse in Orwell's 1984 that if I just work even harder, all will be well. I am probably deluded. Sad But why?

I am open to new ideas. However my concern about going freelance (again) is that I will make even less than my overheads, as in the past I have not found it to be sufficiently profitable for it to wash its face in career terms. I simply am not able to find enough work to pay me more than £10k a year. How do other people do it?

I am all questions and few answers at the moment. Meanwhile, I have registered with a couple of agencies, nannyshare.co.uk and aupairworld while I think about it all.

I think I may be having a mid-life crisis of sorts.

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plupervert · 23/05/2011 13:18

In the meantime, here is a nanny-related dilemma to cheer you up!

(Or allow you to rant and thereby blow off steam and get rid of some of the despair and weariness which has been colouring more and more of your postings...)

plupervert · 23/05/2011 13:01

That comment about the piano teaching underlines the impression that you are a person who is disciplined and multi-skilled enough to have and manage a portfolio career, so again, please don't feel that you can only solve this problem through childcare, as this could be the most difficult way of solving your problem!

Does the Open University, with its time-shifted, off-campus way of working, have anything to offer you, or is it too low-level/not sufficiently specialised?

itunes has a stack of lectures online, proving that educational content is delivered in increasingly differentiated ways.

University publishers and presses need reliable (and accredited) writers (reliable because editors absolutely HATE late and badly written or off-topic copy). Specialist publications need reliable and accredited reviewers. I ended up in the trade press six years after I graduated, and was extremely pissed off I hadn't got there sooner, as it is a more stable revenue model than mainstream or consumer media, offers possibilities to specialise, offers its own world of validation, depends very heavily on freelance and part-time/contracted work... Having known all this earlier would have saved me a lot of aggro and crappy jobs!

Sorry to derail the discussion rom childcare, but as your story shows, childcare is the hardest thing for parents (most commonly mothers - boo hiss) to manage, and you have made comments elsewhere about changing the work side of things...

BoffinMum · 22/05/2011 21:37

I can earn more in two hours teaching 7 year olds piano than I earn trekking 70 miles and back every day for a week, if you take childcare and commuting out of the equation. Says a lot. Can be dull, but it is money ...

Squiffs, we did not have as much luck as you with APs - I think only 2 or 3 of ours were as good as that and are still in touch. Interestingly they were the really bright ones, with working mothers as well.

Have phoned kids' old nursery and left message for manager, who will most llikely remember us and that might help me get a place for DS3 if required, I hope. If I got help with the nursery run it might be an answer, I suppose.

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Blondeshavemorefun · 22/05/2011 17:59

thats my way of thinking as well strix

you get wrap around care and then ap can chill a bit during the day before mad run of nursery/school pick up

Strix · 22/05/2011 16:26

Boff,
I was thinking:

AP does morning shift and drops DS at nursery.

AP does late afternoon / evening shift (including nursery pick up, prepare dinner, etc.)

If no nurseies in your area with places, what about a childminder?

nannynick · 22/05/2011 10:37

Could you look at a change of direction work wise... something you could do from home perhaps like marking exam work related to your field of work?
Not ideal but may help you not get too bored sitting on that sofa.

PfftTheMagicDragon · 22/05/2011 10:17

Sounds like a killer, Boff. Not sure I could continue to work for 12 hours a day for £25 a week.

BoffinMum · 22/05/2011 09:51

Just to say that daycare nursery is unlikely to be an option because I am long gone by the time nurseries open, and I get back about 90 minutes after most of them close (remember I commute 3 hours a day and the nurseries are in the opposite direction and open 8.30-5.30, so it would be 10.15 to 10.30 by the time I got into work and I would be having to leave at 3.45-3, so it's not an option - BoffinDad works in London at gets home at 8pm). Plus we have seen 50% of the nurseries around here close in the last few years, so it seems the likelihood of finding a place is about nil, tbh. So we have to see that as a last ditch option, and not necessarily possible.

Nursery school is a possibility, but that would probably be for two mornings a week until he is three, again because of lack of places. (Don't get me started about local authorities and their lack of forward planning for early years provision around here).

Ebaying my children or joining the sofa surfing classes is however still an option.

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confuseddotcodotuk · 22/05/2011 00:07

I just wanted to mention that not all nannies prefer younger kids. I would prefer a younger child and a pre-teen and I'm having a lot of difficulty in finding that kind of job! Littley's are very rewarding, but older kids are entertaining and have a mind of their own! Grin

I agree that AP and nursery would be your way forward though, either male AP or outdoorsy/nerdy girl AP!

Laquitar · 21/05/2011 15:02

Shock What is wrong with Greek males?? Grin

(Laquitar is married to one Grin)

StillSquiffy · 21/05/2011 13:48

I heard my name mentioned....

I can also recommend male AP's for many reasons. For example:-

  1. They will play footie/trampoline with kids and get dirty quite happily
  2. You can get graduates aged 23+ who genuinely want to play with kids and learn English, rather than school leavers who (often) just want to leave home.
  3. It is easier for them to socialise and build up a network of friends
  4. They are 'even-tempered' - I found girls emotions tended to swing up and down depending on whether they had/were getting on with their boyfriends
  5. MY DS in particular doesn't push the boundaries with men the way he does occasionally with females
  6. They are a damn sight cheaper than a nanny

Downsides

  1. Have yet to find a male AP who can cook anything more complicated than an omelette
  2. You have to wash your own smalls.

I get mine from aupair-world.net and insist on the following:-
a) Graduate
b) 23+
c) driving licence
d) must have lived away from home before
e) must have come from a family where mum works

Once they've filled those criteria then I skype them. I also have a bias in favour of/against certain countries though I have had success even when I've ignored that preference list (current AP is Greek, for example). IME good AP's last a year at a time and they do keep in touch (our first AP from 6 years ago was here recently). Finding them is a slog but once you are ruthless and cut out the ones that don't fit your criteria you can usually narrow it down to maybe 5-10 suitable candidates that you can then skype.

Blondeshavemorefun · 21/05/2011 13:31

so what are you going to do boffy?

as you have a range of ages, i agree that maybe one type of childcare may not suit all your dc and a mixture of ap/cm/nursery is prob better than a nanny

and Mtorun there is nothing wrong with boffy or her dc/dh -she has just had a run of bad luck with nutty nannies from the place we dont name Grin

nannynick · 21/05/2011 13:10

Strix - 19 May 22:22 where I wrote about how they were advertising for evening babysitting and "nanny hasn't logged in since January".

BoffinMum - cost wise having someone live-in I expect will be the lower cost option but finding someone happy to care for children in the large age range may be tricky. Your 13 year old probably doesn't need much care, just someone around to help him out on occasion with homework, computer game, or driving him to/from activities. Mind you, probably the same applies for your 10 year old. Maybe aupair + nursery is something to consider, least for school term time.

mrsbaldwin · 21/05/2011 11:08

Just reading all this (and ignoring Mtorun)...

My chum (lawyer) had male au pairs from when her son was about 5 or 6. The first one (from Latvia) stayed for 3 years (and still comes back visiting on hols to England now). Second one (also E European) stayed for nearly same length of time.

My chum says one of the things that was good for both her and her son about these guys was that were a little bit older (eg early 20s) and had done their military service. So the son was impressed by tales of flying in planes etc and they were good (enough) at getting up on time, tidying up etc as they already had some practice :)

Could you poss look at a male au pair/manny who might suit your DS and maybe afford to send younger DCs to nursery or somesuch as au pair would be cheaper. Au pair could do pick ups and drop offs.

This is just a thought, may be completely unviable for various reasons. As another poster said, also depends if MrBoffin will go for a young man in the house.

nbee84 · 21/05/2011 10:49

I think Nick also mentioned that she hadn't actually logged in since January. I have a profile on there and have a job that I am not looking to leave. Some have theirs on there as they do ad hoc weekend work or babysitting. Mine is still on there as I haven't worked out how to delete it Grin

Strix · 21/05/2011 10:29

Nick, by being on childcare.co.uk I assumed she was looking for work in the uk, and therefore not really seeking to relocate to Turkey. Although I'm not all that familiar with the site so perhaps I assumed wrongly.