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I told a potential mum and her children to leave immediately this morning. :(

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NickNacks · 18/04/2011 12:01

I feel awful but what would you have done?

I had a mum and two children come to visit this morning about after school care. Children are 6 and 7.

So they come in and 6 yr old is happy to run off and play with my older two. The 7 yr old is a bit shyer and stays sitting next to mum whilst she browses my papers and i make tea.

We sit chatting for a while and the 7 yr old slides onto the floor to play with my baby (7 months). A few minutes later baby screams an awful piecing noise and the child runs to mum.

I pick baby up and notice a bite mark on her arm. Shock I asked the child if they had bitten the baby (obvious that they had!!) and why? Child replies that baby had bitten first! What??? She's 7 months old and has no teeth yet! The only time she 'bites' is if you put your finger in her month and she 'gums' on you- admittedly quite hard gums atm.

Mum sort of awkwardly smiles and says 'oh I've always taught them to hurt back if they get hurt first'. I just replied 'I'm sorry i don't think i can offer you any childcare at this time. Please could you leave so i can calm and sort the baby'.

Baby has an awful mark left on her arm which has started to bruise.

I feel bad for chucking them out but I'm livid that a child of 7!! thinks it's ok to bite a baby!!

What would you have done? :(

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Ormirian · 21/04/2011 16:38

Poor little baby Sad You did the right thing.

Must say that I would be a bit concerned for the 7yr old and his little brother too. It makes me wonder whether they have ever been subjected to 'hurting back' Hmm

teaka05 · 21/04/2011 16:32

Hi Im a childminder and I think you reacted brilliantly and showed professionalism in staying calm well done.

NickNacks · 21/04/2011 16:29

Social Services, really? I don't have their surname, just first names (including husband actually as she mentioned him), although obviously i know the school they go to. Enough for them to look into it? Of course I have photos of DD's arm and wrote an incident report. What would SS do?

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Saltire · 21/04/2011 11:09

Nicknacks - I agree with all the other posters on here, you did well to remain so calm, and did the right thing in
A) telling them to get out
B) Telling all your CM friends

sunshinenanny · 21/04/2011 11:01

NickNacks, you don't need to feel awful about anything. You did the right thing with this awful mother.

Too often we come across this type of mother at toddler groups. They let their little darlings run riot, grabing toys off other smaller children and being generally little bullies.Angry It's no wonder that by the time they are 7 they think it's allright to do as they please.

I have always tried to teach my charges that they don't hurt children younger than themselves and if they get hit by another child to tell me or another grownup. It's good to teach children from an early age that other people are important too.Smile

littleducks · 20/04/2011 23:03

I think you were very professional.

It would have been much worse if the baby was another mindee, how on earth could you explain they were bitten by a 7 yr old!

iamnotsuperwoman · 20/04/2011 22:57

Poor you and your poor baby.

I agree with flagging this one up with SS though, it is not right and could be just the tip of the iceberg of what is going on with the 2 little girls. Very strange parenting at the very least.

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chipmonkey · 20/04/2011 21:34

The Mum sounds barking! How awful for you. The one good thing is that it happened before you had agreed to mind them so you didn't end up taking them on.

ilovesprouts · 20/04/2011 21:25
Shock
giraffesCantDanceWhileSober · 20/04/2011 21:19

My goodness - I would have expected a parent to seriously tell a child off for that not just shrug it off Shock

sleeplessinderbyshire · 20/04/2011 21:11

I am stunned that anyone could allow their child to do this and amazed by how calm you are

As well as telling yuor CM friends I think I'd be tempted to make some gentle enquiries at school perhaps I am being suspicius but I'd be concerned about how she is learning this stuff (i.e. is she being physically abused by a parent to have learned to have considered biting a child) this sounds symptomatic of a really disturbed child (and a very unsuitable mother)

Honeydragon · 18/04/2011 23:41
Shock

my son is nearly 8 his sister is 16 months, and he takes a hellish amount of abuse from her at present, but has never once in any way hurt her. Just calmly states that he "doesnt like that" and removes himself.

I am appalled that someone thinks that kind of behaviour is acceptable.

bemybebe · 18/04/2011 23:35

Shock Angry no words

thumbbunny · 18/04/2011 23:16

I suppose you can't file an assault report against the mum by proxy, can you? I mean, you can't really do it against the DD, surely - but the mum not only allowed it to happen, she encourages her DD to do that - might make her sit up and think a bit! Very disturbing parenting.

HavePatience · 18/04/2011 22:14

As someone with a child at a cm, please tell all local cms about her. I wouldn't want my DS at risk of this sort of behaviour and I'm sure I'm not alone.
Your poor baby :( how awful.

thebody · 18/04/2011 21:58

that behaviour makes my flesh crawl.. very disturbing for the child to do this at all but mums behaviour... very frightening imo... your poor baby.. i would have been absoluitly livid..

MillsAndDoom · 18/04/2011 18:19

Shock and Angry - a 7 year old thought it was normal to bite a baby???

Nicknacks you were very calm in the way that you handled it - I would not have been able to do so.

And good point about warning other CMs

lollipopmother · 18/04/2011 18:14

Goodness me, that is appalling, you did exactly the right thing, disgusting from both the child and the mum.

It amazes me how lax some people are, today at toddler groupe my DD (2.5y) pushed a much younger child over, I put her straight into time out for 2 mins then took her back to the child for her to apologise which she didn't, so she went straight back to time out for another 2mins, she screamed the place down but didn't budge from the chair, and she apologised on the 2nd attempt.

A parent said how impressed they were that she hadn't moved even tho I had left the room - errr she's in time out, she wouldn't dare!!

NickNacks · 18/04/2011 16:45

Ok i've called my two local CM friends and told them what happened. They both pick up from the same school as me so i think parent might visit them too. One has her own baby and the other looks after a 5 mth old and they were both shocked.

One advised me to call our DO so I have done that as well. She's advised me to take photos and write up what happened and keep any details i have of them -just first names and a phone number.

This last point got me thinking actually- what details do you ask for when arranging a visit. It just occured to me how vunerable we are when it comes to letting strangers into our homes and how little we know about them.

DD seems ok and she's asleep right now but i just cry everytime i look at her poor arm. I wish in a way i had gone a bit mad at them and then maybe mum would see how wrong she is! Also called DH and told him and he was all for filing an assult report (he's a PC!) but i calmed him down on that one!

Thanks for all the support.

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mollymole · 18/04/2011 16:27

wll done for remaining calm - looks like you had a lucky escape with this family

PlopPlopPing · 18/04/2011 16:25

I'm surprised the 7YO didn't know that the hurting back thing doesn't count with a baby at least!

lifeistooshort · 18/04/2011 16:08

oh my god this is so shocking. Even my DS2 2.5 years knows not to bite/eat a baby. Even when my baby hits his head on his highchair he tells him "no baby brother, don't do that, you are fragile, you will hurt your head". Once or twice the baby hit DS2 and DS2 said to him "don't do that ever again" but that is it.

I would be quite worried that a 7 years old could be cruel enough to bite an innocent baby. I would be tempted to report it to someone but can't think whom might be appropriate. Maybe I would call my HV to ask her what she thinks and if I should contact someone

COCKadoodledooo · 18/04/2011 15:59

Blimey you reacted in a far more calm fashion than I'd have managed! Is your baby ok now?

I really dislike the hurting someone back thing (we're very much a turn the other cheek kinda family, but that doesn't make us doormats!), but really, a 7 YEAR old versus a 7 MONTH old? Surely they could know that that was wrong??!

My ds2 (7mo) can be, well, pretty violent when he chooses to be. Ds1 (7) will absolutely not hit him back. Sure he can sometimes be less than gentle when removing his brother from various parts of his person, but he'd never deliberately hurt him - he'd certainly never bite, even when ds2 has bitten him!

thumbbunny · 18/04/2011 15:51

Oh Nicknacks! I wouldn't normally click on threads in this borad but something about your title made me look - and I have been sitting here with my jaw just hanging open in Shock after reading that! Your poor baby, I hope she is all right - that's outrageous behaviour from the mother - you can't even really blame the 7yo for it, since she's been taught that it's ok! Shock again.

I agree with the others to let all your CM friends know her name and warn them - it could get very nasty very quickly.

I also think you did absolutely the right thing and did very well to keep calm until they were out the door - I'm pretty sure I'd have been a lot less cool about it and had a go!

God, even if you do teach your children that if you get hit first, then it's ok to retaliate (which I don't necessarily agree with) they should ALWAYS be taught not to hit back at children smaller than themselves, especially babies!!

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