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Nanny becoming a nanny share

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SydneyB · 17/02/2011 10:12

I wonder if anyone can give me some advice. We currently have a brilliant nanny who looks after our two and her little boy. In the not too distant future one of mine will be at school and the other at pre-school 3 mornings a week. We really want to keep our nanny on as we all adore her, plus we still need help with school pick ups and of course the holidays. We currently employ her, pay all her tax etc. What we'd all like to do is for her to take on another baby perhaps 3 days a week to be looked after in our house. That way we'd be able to afford to keep her on and there might be a payrise in it for her. Does anyone know the legal ramifications of this? Do we have to have some kind of insurance if our nanny is looking after someone else's child in our home? Can we still be her main employers and get the other family to pay us so that all her wages still go through PAYE etc? Or do both families need to become her employers?

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SnapFrakkleAndPop · 17/02/2011 13:48

The only way to do it is for her either to not have her child along or for her to care for another child only during the time yours are at school and preschool.

SnapFrakkleAndPop · 17/02/2011 13:46

If she's OFSTED reg she can be inspected. Then she'd be found out and the register guidance clearly says the a home childcarer looking after 3 or more families must register on the compulsory and/or early years register.

She can't legally do it anyway as care for 3 or more families simultaneously requires registration as a childminder. But if she's not OFSTED registered they'd be less likely to check and the question of how well that rule is enforced could be considered (although I personally would never advise that because in the worst case your nanny could end up being barred from registering in the future).

SydneyB · 17/02/2011 13:32

And we'd much rather do it 'above board'.

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SydneyB · 17/02/2011 13:31

She is Ofsted registered. So from what you're saying there's no way we could do it without her de-registering herself from Ofsted? Which would mean we wouldn't be able to claim childcare vouchers which enable us to afford her in the first place. Hmm, tricky. There must be a way around this as it seems like such a sensible arrangement for all involved.

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SnapFrakkleAndPop · 17/02/2011 13:02

Her insurance may limit it and OFSTED certainly do. 3 families (yours, hers and sharers) brings it into regulated territory. Whilst they might never check it's not really worth the risk. If she's OFSTED registered then it's a definite no-no.

SydneyB · 17/02/2011 11:22

Thanks nannynick and chelsea. I was under the impression that our nanny's insurance covered her at the moment but you're probably right that it woudln't necessarily cover a child from another family. We do pay her a gross salary at the moment so what you're saying is that we continue to employ her on a gross salary that applies to our share and the other family do the same? Gosh, it's complicated. I imagine PAYE Nannies who we use at the moment would also be able to help. Just want to make sure we do the best by her.

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ChelseaNannyTree · 17/02/2011 11:11

Hi Syndey,

If you have an employee in your home as you probably know you would need employers liability insurance for Nannying purposes as you have a responsibility to provide a safe working environment. Now, some home insurances have this within their policy. If you haven't done this already, contact your home insurance as they will need to be notified of an employee working within your residence. Also, you can discuss with your home insurance how this would work in relation to another child being in your home who is being looked after by your paid Nanny. They might be able to advise you on the legal side of Nanny Shares.

However on saying this, Insurances such as NannyInsure (for the Nanny to take out) cover the Nanny for the care of up to 6 children (this can be from multiple families). This would cover your Nanny for any issues resulting from her care, it would not cover any claims arising from the other families child having an accident within your home (e.g tripping up on a piece of loose carpet and braking their arm/faulty electrical wires etc). Also, she would need to make sure that she notifies her insurance of any new children she is caring for including their medical conditions, allergies etc etc.

As for employment - if you accept the wages from another family and pay your nanny, I believe you would be classed as an employment business. As an employment business you are responsible for the Nanny's NI/Tax, Statutory Sick Pay, Statutory Maternity and Holiday Pay for both positions!! I would personally say that it would give you a lot of legal responsibility but it might be worth looking into a little more...

To avoid the worries of this, you could ask an employment business (like The Nanny Tree) to employ her on your (and the other families) behalf which means she would have one employer who would be responsible for NI/Tax & all legal and Statutory payments.

It's a mine field out there so I hope I could provide some clarity for you!! Good Luck!!

Chelsea x

nannynick · 17/02/2011 10:43

Think that MrAnchovy has mentioned in the past that there is a slight saving on Employers NI if both families employ the nanny directly, rather than as joint employers.
Both families would agree a Gross salary with the nanny (presume you already have done that as PAYE uses Gross salary for calculations) so no problems with you remaining main employer. Nanny could if she so decided ask for a taxcode split but I wouldn't bother doing that, as long as main job payed more than personal tax allowance.

You should check your home insurance policy with regard to what it does and does not cover.

nannynick · 17/02/2011 10:37

There are potential legal issues as she would in effect be caring for children from Family A (you) Family B (her) and Family C (new family).

If she didn't bring her own child to work with her, then it's not a problem.
Not sure how well that bit of law is regulated. It could also invalidate insurance - nanny should check with her insurer.

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