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CHILDMINDERS CLUB: Attendance Record........

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HellyBelly · 10/09/2005 16:44

Hello

I started my first school pickup this week and am just writing it all in my attendance record provided by the NCMA.

I charge from 3pm as that's when I leave the house and I have to be at the school for 3.15pm. The mindee gets picked up at 5pm and I told them I'd have to charge 2 hours per day as otherwise it wouldn't be worth it (as the school it a bit away)

ANYWAY.....what time do I put in the record as the arrival time? Is it when they arrive at my house or when I charge my minding from???

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HellyBelly · 12/09/2005 09:58

Katymac - Thanks soooo much, it arrived this morning!!!

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ThePrisoner · 11/09/2005 22:34

My "attendance" record is my personal diary (the week-to-a-page type, with enough lines per day to record each of the 8+ families I work with!). I write their contracted hours and, in brackets, their actual hours. If a child doesn't come, I record the reason why - off sick, football practice after school, holiday etc. OFSTED are fine with this.

When I first started minding, I used the NCMA attendance register, but it didn't suit me to continue with it once I knew what I was doing.

I issue bills (using duplicate pads from Smiths)to each family every week, which will show their contracted hours, any overtime I've worked, and will state if they were off sick/did a half day or whatever.

ayla99 · 11/09/2005 20:03

I use my own forms (type them in advance each month) & I put brackets around the hours; the reason for absence goes across the start & finish time. As there is no start or finish time entered, its clear to see the child wasn't present.

If arrival/collection is earlier/later than 5 minutes or so, I hand write the actual time on the form. I just put a line through any days where the child is absent & note the reason for absence, and adjust the total hours for the week to show the number of hours the child was actually in my care.

It doesn't matter that this number of hours doesn't always tally with the fee charged (this is also stated at the bottom of each week, showing charges for fees, meals, misc & total) as the contract shows clearly what charges are. I also type up invoices if asked.

lunavix · 11/09/2005 15:01

What does everyone do about bank holidays etc? In the attendance 'sample' they've written 'child sick, childminder half fee' and written the hours in the column! Surely it should say zero as it's reflecting hours there not hours paid????

ThePrisoner · 11/09/2005 13:13

Loupy - inspector told me that if someone reported child being badly treated (smacked?) in public and reported it, it could be blamed on me if I'd recorded a child being in my care, say till 5pm, when perhaps a parent had collected earlier!

loupylou · 11/09/2005 12:31

Got told this at the briefing when considering registering, but they need make it very clear that it was to be actual time, due to fire incase injury to childminder and fire officer having to go off attendance record and Johnny picked up at 3pm for an appt but it said 5pm then they would go back in looking for him. Also it covers incase someone thinks they see more children in house than there should be and complains to Ofsted, Ofsted would arrive unannounced and check attendance records!!

ThePrisoner · 11/09/2005 00:50

I found out at my last inspection, yonks ago, that we should be recording the exact time children arrive and leave. However, whenever I talk to other childminders, many of them seem oblivious to this fact.

My inspector was surprised that I actually did record the exact times, and thought I was just ultra-professional. In fact, I actually only did it to keep tabs on whether I should be suggesting changes to contracted hours if parents were later/earlier than they thought they would be!

Any new minders? Did you get told this when getting registered?

NickyC35 · 10/09/2005 22:11

I put the times they are booked in for in the times bit ie 8 am - 8.50 am but at the hours bit I will put "min 2 hrs" and at the bottom the totals.

loupylou · 10/09/2005 21:16

I attended a briefing this week and it was made clear that it was the time you had the child to and from that shoudl eb recorded. Not the time charged, as it's to cover you incase anyone claims you've had more kids than registered for and in case of fire, for the fire officer. So to me it sounds like you record the time you get them from school as soon as you can manage to record it.

HellyBelly · 10/09/2005 18:06

Thanks for clearing that up!

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katymac · 10/09/2005 18:02

If you put your proper mail there are programmes that search the internet for addresses for spam (or at least there used to be)

So if you put your proper email addy - you might get lots of spam

BTW - I don't know if that's true

ThePrisoner · 10/09/2005 17:48

I wait in school playground no matter what age mindees are!

When I record the time my mindees come, I put the contracted time down (eg. 3.15 - 5.00), which is the information I use when issuing bills. However, you must record the actual time that you have your mindees for (eg. 3.15 - 4.55/5.05/whatever). OFSTED are fine with me using my ordinary diary for this, and I just put the actual minded hours in brackets. It is all to do with who has responsibility.

HellyBelly · 10/09/2005 17:47

Right, done it!

Quick question - are we not allowed to put our proper email address on mumsnet? Only reason I ask is because I've seen LOTS and LOTS of people put ......dot co dot uk and I just wondered why they don't put it as it is? Just making sure I haven't done anything wrong as quite often I've put my proper email address!

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katymac · 10/09/2005 17:43

Why not email me direct I'll giveyou a cryptic clue

"My Job"ing at Walnut Corner (oneword) dot co dot uk

As Cat's sometimes take a while

HellyBelly · 10/09/2005 17:33

Good idea Kcemum - this school pickup thing was such a last min request to start immediately so I never really managed to plan it all properly and the mum is always in a rush. Will set time aside to go through it all properly and get something extra signed to cover me.

I hadn't put a great deal of thought into school pickup's to start with as I was unable to guarantee having a car all the time until last week!

Thanks again for your help!

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kcemum · 10/09/2005 17:30

You'll have to see what the parents agrre too.

I got the parents of nearly 11 year old mindee to sign a disclaimer stating that they are happy for him to walk to school from a specified point on the route, providing that I check to make sure that he arrives safely. Seems to work well for us.

HellyBelly · 10/09/2005 17:24

Katymac - have CAT'd you. Please don't go out in the rain though!! It's not raining here yet but I reckon it will later.

Kcemum - I'm going to have another chat to see if I can get them to agree to me meeting actually at the school - I'd feel so better. It's because they've had this arrangement with other childminders and I don't think she likes to walk with an adult with her mates! Hopefully I can get them to change their minds if I say it's re: health and safety or something?!

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kcemum · 10/09/2005 17:20

I wait in the playground for my mindees, the oldset is nearly 11

HellyBelly · 10/09/2005 17:20

Yes, Katymac is a wealth of knowledge isn't she!!

Katymac - I'm ok for child record forms thanks.

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katymac · 10/09/2005 17:19

No probs as soon as I get your address I'll go out in the rain and post it

HellyBelly · 10/09/2005 17:18

No probs, just feel stupid for not reading the posts properly!!

Katymac - if you could send me one that would be GREAT! I'll send one when I get mine and send a stamp so you don't loose out! Can I CAT you my address?

As for the times, I think I'll put 3.15pm as that's when she leaves the school. It just takes a while for her to get to me as she's chatting to mates etc (she's nearly 10). Just hope nothing happens between leaving school and getting to me! I'd pick her up from her class but they don't want me doing that.

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kcemum · 10/09/2005 17:15

P.S don't get katymac mixed up with me, She knows far more than me!

katymac · 10/09/2005 17:15

Do you need a child record form too?

kcemum · 10/09/2005 17:13

Oh the shame, it wasn't me it was Katymac, I would offer but I've run out of stamps and wouldn't be able to get any till Monday, Bless katymac, she's a goodun!

katymac · 10/09/2005 17:13

I think we both offered you one...don't worry I'm not offended and I'm sure kcemum isn't either

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