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Should I change nanny?

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Simic · 15/09/2010 08:40

We have had our nanny since January. Her hours are five days a week, 8am until 2pm. She looks after my 19 month old son while my four year old is at preschool.
I think she is good with my son and he seems to love her, but she is impossible with me and my husband.
She always arrives late. The idea is that she comes at 8am and looks after the little one so that my husband has his hands free to get my daughter ready and take her to preschool (nanny says my daughter doesn't want her to take her to preschool - and to be honest, she's right). However, she never gets there before 8.15 so my husband always gets dd ready late so he's always late for work. We spoke to her about this together and explained to her that it was really a problem for him. Her response was "I won't come at 8am until you get your child ready quicker". The contract does say 8am but we didn't push it as we didn't want her being angry with us and taking it out on ds.
Most mornings she arrives and announces to us and dd that she is in a bad mood. She tells me all about how the world is against her - and usually I am the cause of this. She then snaps at dd to be quiet because she's in such a bad mood. She criticises me constantly to my face and she has also spoken to my neighbours about how "problematic" I am (for example, I took ds out in the pushchair without a cosy-toes foot bag thing when she thought it was too cold for him, my neighbour replied that in her opinion it was still too warm weather for a cosy-toes and nanny replied to her that she would have to see how she should deal with me). She has even told me that a picture we have on the wall is "stupid".
I try to be friendly to try to get her to be a bit more cheerful. I listen to her problems.
I have now finally (after 9 months) found someone else who seems like a good alternative. The thing is that with my son, the present nanny is lovely. She is cheerful, caring, plays with him nicely from what I have observed. She won't go out for trips really because she can't manage it (if you lived somewhere else I could take him out for trips more easily) and she won't go out when the playground might be "dirty". But, he really likes her and is used to her. She takes him to a playgroup, reads loads of books with him, dances round the house with him. She never makes him lunch (although this was in the job description) but she says that in her opinion it's ok if he eats at 2pm when I get home - she gives him banana and bread roll during the morning.
Is it better to change because then I will be more relaxed and feel less attacked, or is it better to stay with her because after all ds is the important one here and a) change will be disconcerting for him and b) I don't know if the new nanny will be as good with him?
Sorry for writing so much! Please help!

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euracantha · 01/10/2010 23:45

You sacked her,good for you.

euracantha · 01/10/2010 23:41

Hi this is my first post,I am a nanny ,have been for more years than I care to mention which means that I have alot more experience than many of the parents I work for,BUT they are that childs parents and apart from offering advice when asked for the parents are always right. If want
your nannyin to work at 8am that is what she should do,nannies are generally excellent at time management able to juggle several things at once cetainly never late to pick up without avery good reason .Sack her,she has no respect for you and doesn`t even seem to like you.youmust like your nanny and respect her but this also swings the other way she treats you like c*ap.

Blondeshavemorefun · 30/09/2010 10:10

well done simic

SonicMiddleAge · 30/09/2010 10:08

Simic - in terms of how much "better" you could do, don't let your lowered expectations from old bad nanny restirct what you ask of your new nanny - our nanny will in a day manage several "outings" and that's with a 1 and 3 yr old, to the shops, park, library, taking them two stops on the local train and back again (god knows why but it's dd's idea of heaven!). Despite this she also cooks them both lunch, gives them their naps and is an absolutet pleasure to be with!

Simic · 29/09/2010 10:22

I just wanted to say thanks to everyone on here. We have now given our nanny notice and found someone who seems really great. I think what I have learnt from this is to expect more. I could see potential problems at the interview and during trial working days where I was there with her and the kids (as well as during the settling in period). Her references were very good and I thought I probably wasn't going to get anyone better - well, it took me about a year but my gut feeling is, I have managed it. As people wrote on this thread - it makes you feel SO much better to stop a bad situation.

Thank you everyone!

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BoffinMum · 16/09/2010 15:17

I have noticed recently that there is a term posh employment agencies use instead of 'employer'. It's 'principle' as in 'the principle needs to be satisfied with your work' or 'consider the principle's attitudes towards x'.

I think that's an interesting linguistic shift, but a valid one (i think it might come from the bodyguard industry, actually). You are the Principle here, and the nanny's job is a) to make sure you are happy with her work, and b) the welfare of your children. She has failed on both counts and is apparently negligent. I think you should let me go immediately, although I fully understand how scary this can seem at the time, being well known on MN for putting up with daft 'aporths for far too long in the past!

Blondeshavemorefun · 16/09/2010 14:25

i do know you well Grin

and do you go in the house/or wait down the road mning reading a mag for 10mins

nannynick · 16/09/2010 14:23

You know me so well Smile - though actually it does vary depending on the traffic. I allow 30 mins to travel the 8 miles, so typically do arrive 10mins early.

Blondeshavemorefun · 16/09/2010 14:18

well maybe 7.59 Wink

i had visions of you getting there 10/15mins earlier than start time Grin

nannynick · 16/09/2010 14:06

Blondes, I'm surprised you don't get to work at 7:58, 7:59.

HarrietTheSpy · 16/09/2010 13:37

Oh, and OP:

Don't even thinking about listening to that blather from your parents: "You can do a lot worse."

We heard the same thing from my mother. Parents often seem to like 'older' nannies. The only people who matter are you and your DH (not even the MN-ers!! Wink) Get rid if you're unhappy.

Blondeshavemorefun · 16/09/2010 13:26

'If work start time is 8am, your nanny should be at your home before that time, ready to take over at 8am.'

why before, i start at 8, i get there at 8

yes the op son has probably made a bond with the nanny, but even if you said nanny is leaving in 2/4weeks tbh the child isnt going to take it in at 19/20mths old, so yes a clean break is better BUT only once you are sure that this other lady you have is right

yes sometimes getting up/dressed/breakie can be a battle but just means you get the child up 10mins earlier

we used to leave for school at 8.30 , mb would get them up and dressed and i would do breakie but now at a different school, so mb gets them up/dressed and breakie and i get there at 8 and imm go in the car with dc and do hr school run

HarrietTheSpy · 16/09/2010 13:25

I don't agree in this case, Inmyhead, sorry. With a sensible person, you'd be right but this lady sounds toxic.

I did something like what you described with our first nanny. We gave her notice and let her stick around for two weeks, and she took the opportunity to do some more of the bad mouthing about us she'd been doing all along. One of the big things I learned from that situation is, if it's aperformance related issue, move them on quickly (after following the proper procedure of course!)

OP I think it is more likely than not, especially if she gets wind you're employing someone else somehow, that she will be disruptive to your new arrangements.
DOn't feel guilty cutting the ties.

InmyheadIminParis · 16/09/2010 11:43

I agree with all of you that she's incompetent and should definitely go. That said, the OP was worried about the affect on her son of losing the nanny. There's no doubt she should go, but if she's here one day, gone the next with no chance for the OPs son to see her again, what message does this give to her DS about how to treat people they like/love?

I don't know how long the nanny has looked after the OPs son, but if it's a year or more he's going to have built up a strong relationship with her. Having her cut loose so abruptly will give him the message that things he cares about can be taken away at the click of a finger.

I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but I also think the OP is sensitive to this issue. The handover change over to a new nanny needs to be done over a week or two and managed carefully. Hiring and firing overnight may be fine with cleaners, etc, but I believe it's the wrong approach to take with childcare.

gtamom · 16/09/2010 09:23

When to cut bait from www.parentmap.com/content/view/737/110/

Any of the following behaviors is a reason to fire a nanny, according to Morris.

? Job incompetence, including any kind of neglect
? Causing a disruptive influence in the household
? Unreliability in time keeping or attendance
? Failure to comply with instructions and procedures
? Dishonesty or theft
? Breach of confidentiality, such as gossiping about family

www.ehow.com/how_2122400_fire-nanny.html
www.ehow.com/how_2202990_fire-a-nanny.html

Get her paycheck ready, best to give her a weeks or two severance pay, rather than notice, so she won't be there in a bad mood.
Outline the reason you feel it is not working out. Have it in writing.
Tell her with a witness there, and not with the children in the room.
Get your keys back.

nannynick · 16/09/2010 08:56

Getting children up and going in the mornings can be tricky, routine is often the key, plus restricting TV.

If work start time is 8am, your nanny should be at your home before that time, ready to take over at 8am.

Lateness should have been dealt with early on, through verbal warning and written warning disciplinary procedure. I don't know why you haven't taken action over it in the past - or have you, then let it get bad again.

Timekeeping is very important in nannying - often vital that nanny arrives on time, gets children to school/nursery on time.

frakkinnakkered · 16/09/2010 08:56

If she starts at 8 and your DH is struggling she should be mucking in and helping. But that's beside the point...

Get rid. There are so many problems, most of which have been listed, that I'm not even going to bother justifying that advice.

Simic · 16/09/2010 08:35

Sorry, that wasn't really fair on dh:it's hard to wake dd up, then dd wants to play, doesn't want to get dressed, wants to go back to bed etc. which is quite a hassle. She is not a morning person! DH feels that if he's not in addition having to break up squabbles with ds then it helps him - hence, he would really like nanny to be there at 8am, take ds off his hands so it's a bit easier for him to get dd finished. Ideally he'd want to be leaving the house with dd at 8.10...

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Simic · 16/09/2010 08:17

As for getting dd ready for nursery, I have to leave for work early. DH has to get the children up, dressed, breakfasted and dd off to nursery. I don't quite know where the problem lies as if he is away and I have to do it, I don't find it such a problem. But that's not the point. In the contract work starts at 8am. I feel that if someone never arrives on time, it is irrelevant whether nanny feels dh is an efficient father or not - it really gets under my skin that she perpetually tries to turn the relationship round so we are accountable to her (you have to get your child ready quicker) whilst she is not accountable to us. It should be that her work starts at 8am - particularly if employer says that is important to them. Not that she determines when she arrives and then puts particular criteria into place which we have to fulfil before she sticks to the contract. Especially as these criteria are not specific: what is "quick enough" that she would actually start arriving at 8am?

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sunshinenanny · 15/09/2010 22:58

Oops sorry about the spelling it's been a long dayBlush

FiveGoMadInDorset · 15/09/2010 22:49

While I agree with most tings you say I am a litle bemused why it takes 3 of you to get one child ready for nursery.

sunshinenanny · 15/09/2010 22:46

Please get rid of this awful nutcase. Apart from badmouthing you to neighbours and making your DH late for work she doesn't seem to know much about the needs of small children, 2pm is far to late to feed a young child lunch and some of her reasons for not going out are strange to say the least.Hmm

Reading between the lines she doesn't seem to like your daughter and is creepily possesive of you son. This woman is undermining you and chipping away at your confidence. You can do a lot better and find a nanny who knows her job.

Respect between nanny and parents is important and this woman has know respect for youAngry As for her age. I am a mature nanny and Know others who are older than their employers but we do not behave in this way. As for your home; It's none of her business how you choos to decorate it.

Rach109 · 15/09/2010 20:53

OMG I am surprised you have kept her since Jan TBH!
she is not sticking to her contract,undermining you,mad mouthing you not feeding your child ,need I go on....
YES get rid!

lobsters · 15/09/2010 20:22

She sounds dreadful, another one saying get rid here. We have a nanny looking after one child, and I've never felt she sees DD as her property. She works with our routine, and is fine, its now more of a joint routine. And a key aspect of having a nanny is she needs to work with the parents, when things weren't going great with her and us i did have to reconsider the future. It worked out in the end for us, but it sounds like your on a hiding to nothing at the moment

bigdonna · 15/09/2010 19:47

where are u simic as loads of nannies read this page and childminders maybe someone can help!!!