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Help!Nannyshare wages with nanny with her own child????

30 replies

julinka · 11/09/2010 09:24

Dear All,

I would like to ask you for advice regards wages for a nannyshare.

I am an experienced nanny with own child and have an interest from two families to look after their children plus mine.

The childcare would be in their houses and we all live in London.

My thoughts are I wanted to ask £9 an hour net when having 2 children(and my own) and £6.50 an hour when having only one of them(and my own).

Do you think this is fair,or am I asking too much?

Also if anyone please know any information regards nanny who works in 2 families and being registered?Is this as a voluntary nanny registration or childminder?I have read somewhere on the net that you could be registered as a childminder even if it is not in your own house.

Thank you for your help.

Julia

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nbee84 · 11/09/2010 13:05

But, if at the outset nanny is to work Mon, Tues, Weds with family A and Tues, Weds, Thurs with family B you will have 2 days a week where nanny is working with only one family at a time and it would be unfair to pay a nannyshare premium on those days. Hence the different rates of pay.

nannynick · 11/09/2010 12:43

Yes, I agree that a nannyshare is paid more overall... but if one family in that share decides not to use the nanny on a particular day, does that mean the salary should drop?

chitchat07 · 11/09/2010 11:41

Nannynick, it is common for nannies to be paid more for nannying for two families, and not just about the number of children. There are all sorts of different issues arising out of a nanny share which the nanny should be compensated for.

nannynick · 11/09/2010 10:45

I'm reading far too much into what you have written of course... think we need a lot more information from you.

nannynick · 11/09/2010 10:42

There are legal issues if someone works for 3 families at the same time, so caring for children from Parents1, Parents2 and Parents3.
Where it is care of children from Parents1 and Parents2, then that does not fall under Registered Childminder legislation.

The Childcare (Exemptions from Registration) Order 2008 says:
Exempt Childminding

a child or children for particular parents ( ?the first parents?) and, in addition, for a child or children for different parents ( ?the second parents?), wholly or mainly in the home of the first parents or the second parents or in both homes;
~~

The issue is that you, having a child of your own, may be considered to be Parents1.   


You can register as a childminder and provide childminding from a home in which you do not live.   However the home owner of that home may not be very happy to have to comply with childminder legislation!   So in reality I feel that is  non starter - don't consider it.

Registering as an Ofsted Registered Nanny is under the voluntary scheme, it will enable the parents to pay using Tax Credits or Childcare Vouchers.   It has no affect on the legislation regarding requirement to register as a childminder.   So that does not solve the problem.

If you want to do it, then just do it and see  if the regulator ever kicks up a fuss.  If they do, appeal against the decision and take it to tribunal.  The tribunal will then rule on it and then we will all know for sure what the answer is.  Until then, we don't know how a tribunal will respond.  They could decide either way... it's down to if your own child is considered to be a child of Parents1 (you), or if you are considered to be the person providing the care and thus not Parent1, so can therefore care for children in addition to your own from Parents1 and Parents2.

Legislation is open to challenge.  It is not clearly defined in a situation like this.  You can argue that the current wording can be interpreted as meaning you can care for children unrelated to you for up to 2 families at the same time.

So as they say hope that's clear - as mud! <img loading="lazy" class="inline-flex mumsnet-emoji" alt="Grin" src="https://www.mumsnet.com/build/assets/grin-D7Eg_B6y.png">

With regard to your salary figures... you should be dealing in Gross not Net.  Net will complicate things horribly as you don't know how the tax codes will be split (if indeed it's split at all).  You don't know if the families will be individual employers, or joint employers.   

Also as a nanny you are paid a salary, you do not get to dictate that salary.  The parents should have got together and decided what salary to offer you, then you can negotiate that salary.   

Why would you want a lower salary if nannying for only one family?   That does not make sense in nannying terms.  A nanny is paid regardless of the number of children for whom they care.  

Do these two families know each other?  The families need to agree on a lot of things and should have a contract between themselves so that things such as who pays for what, what happens if someone wants to end the share, things like that are sorted out between the families.

I'm getting the impression (rightly or wrongly) that these families may not really know each other and are thinking that you are more like a Childminder, charging them a fee per hour for actual care provided.