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Natural Birth? You can do it!

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boogs · 12/05/2003 14:42

My sisters' due in two days and it's got me thinking about my labour with dd. OK I'm not trying to blow my own trumpet here, I just want to pass on some info and knowledge I think all women should be aware of. Talking to friends/family who've had babies, it seems that alot of them get caught up in all the 'labour aid' possibilities. There's so much these days that can help us in labour, epidurals, gas'n'air, pethidine, etc, etc, that it's almost seen as inevitable to 'take' something during labour.
After having dd, and relaying my birth story I found that people were almost suprised that I didn't take any drugs, in any form, like 'how did she do it?' During the first stage I was at home, on a lovely shagpile rug on the floor, propped up against the bed. Dh gave me honey and hot water to keep me going cause I was there for a few hours. Each time a contraction came I got up on my knees and leant forward on the bed and got my lower back rubbed by dh. i was like this for hours, and I was really comfortable, and the pain was only bad when the contractions peaked. But when they died down, it was almost pleasurable. When I got to the hospital I was 9cm, and two hours later she was born. I was only pushing for 25 minutes. The crowning was really painful, like fire, but I didn't tear thank god!
I've heard so many scare stories about women who've had an epidural early on, which has lead to other forms of 'painkillers' and ended up having c/s, because they were so drugged up and numbed that they had no strength to finish.
My point is that a natural birth is attainable for any woman, even if you have a low pain threshold. Labour is painful no matter what, and I reckon it's better to feel the pain and control it than to have some drugs control it for you.
'New Active Birth' by Janet Balaskas is a brilliant book that helped me achieve childbirth without intervention and drugs which sometimes make things harder than they have to be.
It makes me feel sad that so many women opt for ceasarians without even trying to do it naturally which is better for mother and child. I'm not putting anyone down for any intervention they decide to take on, of course it's each woman's choice but I think more women should have faith and confidence in their natural ability to give birth.
Raspberry leaf tea, perenial massage, yoga, deep breathing, back massage, upright positions (instead of lying back on the bed in a pasive position) are all natural ways of controlling the pain of labour.
I hope this doesn't sound like a lecture, but I know I've given my sister confidence to try it naturally, and wanted to give anyone who's in doubt or scared some encouragement and advice.
Good luck to everyone who's expecting, and just trust in yourself!

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LadyP · 14/05/2003 11:25

I agree, Jasper.

I must be a strange 'un, because I didn't really mind how DS came into the world, as long as he was happy and healthy.

Not saying that women should not think about the type of birthing experience they would want, but I just didn't really give it too much thought

Pupuce/Mears: Just wondered about the epi. I had mine when I was about 8cm dilated (worked within minutes) and was never told that it would be too late. When is it officially 'too late' to have one?

jasper · 14/05/2003 10:44

So what if an epidural makes labour last longer?
At the point you ask for one you just want the agony to stop.

The length of the subsequent labor was of no interest to me at all, I just wanted the pain to be less.

As for not being able to move around . So what? As my sil said " I wasn't planning on going anywhere"

Tillysmummy · 14/05/2003 10:09

I agree Katherine. I think that although a lot of births are complicated and definitely need caesarian there is sometimes intervention that is uneccessary. I am not talking about people that choose cs but people that want a natural birth and aren't in grave danger but have an emergency cs because the doctors want to control the labour (I sometimes think they want to get it over and done with quickly too).

Katherine · 14/05/2003 10:00

Just wanted to add some support to Boogs. I didn't feel she was lecturing or saying everyone should have a natural birth - just trying to encourage women to bleieve in themselves. OK so not everyone has a natural birth, maybe not everyone wants to and that is fine but so many times women are pressured and bullied into interventions which do make life harder.

OK so a lot of intervention IS necessary and does good but its generally accepted that the medical profession these days tends to err on the side of caution and jump in there which can lead to other complications which could have been avoided with a little more time and patience.

My own beleif is that we hear so many stories of difficult births etc needing lots of intervention and if these means both baby and mum come through OK then that is fine. But not every birth is like that and women shouldn't be afraid of birth which is a feeling which often comes through. Yes it hurts but there will always be an end in sight. There is nothing wimpish about choosing pain releif or intervention - women just have to get through it the best way they can, but so often those who have a "natural" birth do so through chance rather than choice.

There seems to be an attitude at the moment that anyone who speaks out for natural birth is somehow attacking women who do not go down this route - but this does not follow at all. I genuinly beleive that Boogs was simply trying to inspire confidence - so good for her.

aloha · 14/05/2003 09:57

OK, I'm all for anyone having the birth of their choice, if that's possible and I know we've been over this again and again -BUT - I still don't understand why people find the concept of choosing a cs so baffling (or, indeed, 'sad'. I personally know three intelligent, informed, confident, normal women who all chose to have a c/s with their first baby despite their being no pressing medical reasons for it. Their reasons? They wanted a serene, predicatable, not prolonged and pain-free experience. Far from feeling 'sad', all three are thrilled with their choice and would do it again in a heartbeat. In fact, one has two children by cs by choice and is the most fantastic, dedicated mother I know. I had my ds by cs with complete placenta praevia (probably would have both died without a c/s) and having had that experience, wouldn't dream of having a baby any other way. It was fab. No exhaustion, no hours and hours in labour, no pain, no fear, no screaming or crying (except with happiness). I also felt like 'me' throughout, which I also liked a lot. It seems a very rational choice to me (after all, all those female obstetricians aren't completely thick). Obviously the idea of c/s doesn't appeal to everyone and if you prefer to have an unmedicated birth, well that's totally your choice too and good on you. I hope you have a wonderful time and sympathetic midwives. But women who have c/s's by choice aren't from Mars, you know

SoupDragon · 14/05/2003 09:56

You can ask the hospital for a copy but you may get charged for copying/administration.

nobby · 14/05/2003 09:54

No - you have to hand them back. But hubby whisked them away to photocopy beforehand.

ks · 14/05/2003 09:51

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pupuce · 14/05/2003 09:45

Mum2Toby....that's what I am often on about.... the selective nfo you get once in labour !
I was recently with a mum who asked the MW : if I have an epidural, what will happen... answer was (I am not joking):

  • You will be pain free and allowed to relax it may help you dilate.

To which I added : and you will be stuck on your bed, it could slow down your labour because your are no longer mobile, it increases your chances of a managed labour (drip and instrumental delivery). It will take about an hour from you asking for it and "it" working. It may not work 100% either.

The mum looked at the MW in a "is this true?" - MW said.... hmm yes !

Mum went for epidural... had drip and later section.

I am NOT suggesting she would not have had a section BTW.... just showing how the information is being passed on. And I do not feel I was scaremonguering just stating facts.... you can then make up your mind what you want to do.

Pimpernel · 14/05/2003 09:35

boogs - my mother took some photos for me during my labour and I really treasure them. Normally I hate any photos with me in them, so it wouldn't have even occurred to me to ask, but she took them very unobtrusively. I had a 40+ hour natural birth at home.

I hope all goes well for your sister! She's lucky to have you for support - I know I valued all the support from my midwife, my mother and dp immensely.

Mum2Toby · 14/05/2003 09:22

Cheers Mears.
I can't believe wasn't told that!

beetroot · 14/05/2003 09:20

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mears · 14/05/2003 08:57

Pethididne and diamorphine can both slow down labour, making contractions ineffective. Sometimes results in a syntocinon drip being needed to restart things.
However, it can aid relaxation which allows labour to progress. You just don't know what is going to happen once it has been given.

Tillysmummy · 14/05/2003 08:57

Mine was 6 hours 45 minutes start to finish. Had gas and air. Wanted an epidural but too late and was glad I didn't in the end. It was a very unique experience and it is the thing I am most proud of that I have done in my life (so far).

SoupDragon · 14/05/2003 08:51

I even hate the photos of me after DS1's birth - I look like death warmed up! The thought of photos of anything during labour makes me squirm. Still, each to her own!!

Ninja, I had hypnotheraphy before DS2's birth to try and rid me of the feelings I'd been left with following DS1s birth. I literally have no positive memories of it whatsoever. The hypnotherapy did make me feel more relaxed & positive about the whole thing and DS2s much easier labour helped erase a few more of the ghosts too. It does get better

Mum2Toby · 14/05/2003 08:33

I had no idea that pethadine could slow labour, I've never heard that??!??

I had diamorphine, great stuff! Does that slow labour too?

I went into established labour at 9.30am and ds was born at 15.35pm. So I think that was relatively short for a first baby.

A labour album Boogs??!!!!!

CAM · 14/05/2003 08:28

A note about pethidine, some people here have said it slowed their labours down, well it didn't in my 2 cases. I think its because it made me more relaxed so actually things happened more easily for me.

pupuce · 14/05/2003 08:11

I meant

pupuce · 14/05/2003 08:10

Can we see thw piccies then ? :0

boogs · 14/05/2003 00:07

Will inform dsis re. science stuff, but don't know if it will make any difference! She's got a 'labour photo album', and really loves documenting the whole ordeal. Not my cuppa tea at all, tho!

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boogs · 14/05/2003 00:03

Thanks for the tip, Pupuce. Unfortunately, the camera is why I'm gonna be there due too dsis' request, so hiding it's gonna be near impossible. Believe me, dsis is gonna be telling me to take the snaps of her doing her breathing, squatting, pushing. Wish us luck! I'm sure I'm gonna be a crap labour photographer, but she'll never forgive me if I mess it up. She's gotta do the hard stuff anyway, right?

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pupuce · 13/05/2003 23:44

Just be there for her... she will be immensely grateful!

When one is observed in labour, we produce adrenalin which hinders oxytocyn release... which is what makes you labour effectively - HIDE the camera

boogs · 13/05/2003 23:23

Yeah Pupuce. She originally wanted me to photograph the real thing, close ups, crowning, the lot, but I said I couldn't do it cause I'd feel too intrusive. She's since let me off the hook, and settled for (hopefully) shots of heavy breathing, screaming, just atmospheric stuff. I think I'm gonna find even that difficult cause IMO childbirth is a private, almost solitary time. But dsis differs and always wants everything on camera! Even her labour. Each to her own, eh?

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boogs · 13/05/2003 23:21

Yeah Pupuce. She originally wanted me to photograph the real thing, close ups, crowning, the lot, but I said I couldn't do it cause I'd feel too intrusive. She's since let me off the hook, and settled for (hopefully) shots of heavy breathing, screaming, just atmospheric stuff. I think I'm gonna find even that difficult cause IMO childbirth is a private, almost solitary time. But dsis differs and always wants everything on camera! Even her labour. Each to her own, eh?

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pupuce · 13/05/2003 23:12

Will you be with her durng her labour? That would be the best support !

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